WTF won't Labour, Lib Dems (& potentially the Greens) endorse tactical voting?

I agree. It was Labour who brought in the GRA in 2004 and caused this shit show in the first place, they voted for both the Gender Reform bill to introduce self Id and the Hate Crime laws in Scotland and if they get into power you will get that in England too.

I vote on policies.

Green supporters often lend their votes and the party even endorsed this at the last election. They've also proposed a "progressive alliance" but have the most to benifit and last to lose from this as they are the smallest party, and there success is measured more on influence of debate and policy then seats.

The Libs are prepared to go onto coalition with either Labour or Tories, and will not piss off either by endorsing tactical voting against the other, or make themselves entirely irrelevant by no longer offering an alternative against the alternative. Also their big issues is rejoining Europe where as Labour would like to forget that Brexit ever happened.

Labour are going to win without Green or Lib votes so simply don't need then. More so they only ever win by getting Tories to vote for them, and going Lib/Green will make that much less likely as well as lose them any "traditional" votes they haven't already. They're general mo is that they lerch right to get fed up Tory votes while everyone else has no choice to vote for them to get the Tories out.

We have so-called mandatory voting in Australia but it isn’t that at all. You are required to get your name crossed off the list, that’s all. What you write when you’re in the booth is entirely secret. Nobody’s standing watching you to make sure you tick the boxes!

If you really think Labour and the Lib Dems are the answer you ought to review how many of them have been sent to prison or outed as sex pests or just plain wieirdoes

They are no different to the Tories

And your point is?

Females make up 50% of the population

Yes let's fuck over the entire country, especially poor and wc women - about whom the Conservatives give precisely NO figs) because you're terrified of something you don't understand and constitutes less than 1pc of the population.
Blinkered doesn't even begin to describe it.

No they are not. Nor are the Tories or indeed the Scottish Nazi Party

The ones who are penalised are the parties who attract a decent percentage across a wide area without having enough in many areas to win the seat. Lib Dems is one and parties like UKIP and Respect are others

But why should the Lib Dems make it easier for Labour? Neither Labour or the Tories care about electoral reform. Lib Dems are only relevant in a hung parliament, therefore it suits Lib Dems if the Tories do better than expected and it's close rather than a Labour landslide.

Who’s talking about pacts? Certainly not the Labour or LibDem leaderships. Tactical voting is about voting for the candidate most likely to beat the Tory and individuals making that choice for themselves.

I despise the whole lot of them...

The Tories are packed with shameless spivs

Labour ranks are full of appallingly stupid people

Lib Dems are mostly cranks and weirdoes

Yep, because he is following Blair to become not only a Tory, but a Neo-imperialist practising the Neo-imperial policies of neoliberalism.

We need change, not more neoliberalism. Corbyn, or more accurately McDonnell, was the only person who has offered us change recently and look how Starmer is treating him and all who come from more socialist leanings. A true left-wing control system is exactly the same as a right wing control system. This country is lost.

It's not about transgender people, it's about female people - women and girls.

If you think it's just about toilets then take a look at the 'Break it down for me' thread.

We’ve also had a Tory get in with fewer votes than Labour and the Lib Dem’s combined. Bloody FPTP.

"The thing that I found most interesting is the comparison between the Tory candidate who unexpectedly held Uxbridge, an ex-postman who became a manager for Royal Mail, and the victorious Labour candidate in Selby who went to private school followed by Oxford and has worked as a political advisor. The old Tory middle-class / Labour working-class dichotomy is dead, it would seem."

Yes, back to the Blair days of Oxbridge careerists parachuted into every seat while the left are stopped from standing by any means necessary.

Is this the same Tories that have been in for 13 years?

Why should Lib Dems form a pact with Labour when they won't entertain electoral reform (and will win a majority anyway)? Why should Greens when Starmer flip flops all the time on Green issues.

Unfortunately I did just read this.

Because it is not democracy op. In a democracy you are supposed to vote for what you think is the best course of action. Obviously people with similar ideas group up together, so that they can leverage group power greater than individuals can manage alone, and that is the origin of the party system. The problem nowadays is what exactly is and should be the relationship between those organised groupings of power and both other groupings and more importantly of the individuals who are all working diligently to maintain this system.

A group of parties working together to oust a single other party is as much a stitch up as the power systems that support the main single party in power. All it does is maintain and create another all-powerful unchallengeable body.

I don’t know the magic spell to redress the organisation / individual relationships in Britain but more groupthink isn’t the way to promote diversity of voices.

I think it’s a jump to assume that if someone can’t vote Lib Dem that they will automatically vote Labour.

This is an optimistic take. It's also a possibility that lots of people still wouldn't go, because they don't want to or just haven't organised themselves sufficiently. So then we end up having to find a load of resources to sanction people who can't or don't want to engage in the process. There's also no reason at all to think there'd be fewer safe seats.

Think it would be more accurate to say 'some' rather than 'plenty' at the start of your para 2.

The Tories are currently dealing with a strong desire amongst the electorate to get a change of government. The party polling is very consistent but also so is Best PM and Sunak's favourability is still falling (currently -40).

It is notable Sunak is now talking openly on the front pages of being more divisive.

But my point is that the Labour assumption that a Lib Dem voter would do anything to facilitate an overall Labour win, simply because Labour aren’t the Tories, isn’t necessarily an accurate one.

Who’s assuming that?

But there is this attitude among Labour voters that Lib Dem voters are “letting the side down” by not voting Labour

No there isn’t. Where the Libdem candidate stands the best chance of ousting a Tory Labour voters should vote for them. That’s the entire point of tactical voting.

we saw in coalition that if anything, Lib Dems actually cosy up very nicely with the Tories, not with Labour.

The coalition and cosying up with the Tories really didn’t go nicely. The Libdems were virtually wiped out in 2015 and are only just recovering. I bet Nick Clegg wishes every day of his life that he’d turned left instead of right in 2010. If they’re in the position of kingmaker again, I’d put money on them not making that mistake again.