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cactusjane · 16/07/2023 12:13

Not a troll, MN can verify.

Had bright red blood from my bottom for years. With notable piles. Nice. Seen the GP many times and been given creams which do ease the discomfort but don't get rid of them. I could probably cope with them as they aren't majorly painful or uncomfortable but the bleeding seems to have gotten worse lately to the point where I saw a small clot earlier.

Obviously I'm aware of the other more sinister signs of rectal bleeding but because of my age and the clear piles the doctors don't seem to want to consider anything else. I did have a colonoscopy a few years ago which was clear but it's still a worry when you see that much blood after a BM.

Is this normal? Has anyone else with piles had significant bleeding and how did you deal with it? I know surgery is an option but it really frightens me.

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Applesandpears23 · 19/04/2024 21:38

Found your thread when researching the same problem. Did you get sorted?

cactusjane · 20/07/2023 17:39

hedgehoglurker · 20/07/2023 17:29

What sort of volume of blood are you passing? Do you need a pad or anything after you've finished in the bathroom?

I'm not a medic, so don't know what is normal with piles bleeding, and of course everyone's perception is different. I have piles and ulcerative colitis, so have experienced many episodes and differing quantities of passing blood.

Obviously consult your gp/ medical practice if concerned, but really hoping you see significant improvement soon.

No I don't need a pad or anything like that. It tends to be a substantial amount on the toilet paper after wiping and maybe a drop or two in the toilet but it's not gushing out or anything like that. It's just alarming more than anything.

If it hasn't improved a bit by the time this course of suppositories is finished I guess it'll be back to the GP for the umpteenth time.

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hedgehoglurker · 20/07/2023 17:29

What sort of volume of blood are you passing? Do you need a pad or anything after you've finished in the bathroom?

I'm not a medic, so don't know what is normal with piles bleeding, and of course everyone's perception is different. I have piles and ulcerative colitis, so have experienced many episodes and differing quantities of passing blood.

Obviously consult your gp/ medical practice if concerned, but really hoping you see significant improvement soon.

cactusjane · 20/07/2023 17:13

hedgehoglurker · 20/07/2023 17:08

Do they have hydrocortisone? How many were you prescribed and for what duration?

Personally, I use the Anusol HC (hydrocortisone) for about a week. Then I use the germaloids ones for as long as necessary. I buy them, so haven't been prescribed.

BTW. Well done for using the suppositories!!! I hope it wasn't difficult to do.

Way easier than I'd imagined. Thankfully!

They contain hydrocortisone yes. And I've only been prescribed 12 to use once a day at night. So I guess I'm only half way through the treatment and should keep on going with it. I just hoped I'd have seen some improvement by now. The bleeding seems to have gotten worse (in terms of volume - there looks like more than there has been previously) which I didn't expect.

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hedgehoglurker · 20/07/2023 17:08

Do they have hydrocortisone? How many were you prescribed and for what duration?

Personally, I use the Anusol HC (hydrocortisone) for about a week. Then I use the germaloids ones for as long as necessary. I buy them, so haven't been prescribed.

BTW. Well done for using the suppositories!!! I hope it wasn't difficult to do.

cactusjane · 20/07/2023 12:59

Op here. Back with an update or bumdate if you will.

Been using the suppositories for nearly a week now and have noticed improvements with the pain but the bleeding hasn't stopped at all. If anything it seems to have gotten worse. I largely forget about my bum troubles until I have a BM and then the amount of blood I see tends to freak me out. Its painless but it's frightening to see. I read up on the suppositories I was prescribed and it says they can thin the skin so I'm wondering if this is what's happening? Has anyone else noticed excessive bleeding during the use of these? Do I need to persevere?

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Daisythecat15 · 16/07/2023 22:28

cactusjane · 16/07/2023 22:23

I would say that I have bleeding more often than not when I have a BM these days. And the amount of blood seems to have increased recently. I do have some IBS issues and if it's what I call a 'difficult poo' then the bleeding is much more pronounced. I'll try a suppository and see how I go.

I have IBS too, I know exactly what you mean. When mine bleed I have to use suppositories and cream after every BM to get the bleeding to stop, otherwise it will just carry on. Sometimes it takes a couple of weeks to clear up. Germoloids is my favourite brand, I'd recommend it over Anusol personally. I was afraid to use a suppository the very first time, but it's easy. A hundred times easier than inserting a tampon for example.

Give it a go. If the treatment stops the bleeding, then you have your answer.

cactusjane · 16/07/2023 22:23

Daisythecat15 · 16/07/2023 22:17

Yep I've had piles for over 10 years. They bleed from time to time. Sometimes quite a lot. For me bleeding always coincides with a flare up - pain, itching, piles visible. And a flare up usually occurs after constipation. I will sometimes go months without a flare up - recently I went a whole year without any bleeding. So I'm confident it's just piles - cancer wouldn't go away! How often do yours bleed?

I usually double up on suppository and cream. The suppositories work way better than just the cream! Don't be afraid to use them, you literally just push it gently in, once it's all the way in it feels like it instantly dissolves and you can't feel it. I always feel instant relief from using one. They don't get rid of the pile, but they shrink it down.

I've also mentioned my issue to various GPs and always been told it's just piles. I've had an MRI of my pelvis though (for an unrelated reason) and nothing could be seen on there, so 🤷

I would say that I have bleeding more often than not when I have a BM these days. And the amount of blood seems to have increased recently. I do have some IBS issues and if it's what I call a 'difficult poo' then the bleeding is much more pronounced. I'll try a suppository and see how I go.

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Daisythecat15 · 16/07/2023 22:17

Yep I've had piles for over 10 years. They bleed from time to time. Sometimes quite a lot. For me bleeding always coincides with a flare up - pain, itching, piles visible. And a flare up usually occurs after constipation. I will sometimes go months without a flare up - recently I went a whole year without any bleeding. So I'm confident it's just piles - cancer wouldn't go away! How often do yours bleed?

I usually double up on suppository and cream. The suppositories work way better than just the cream! Don't be afraid to use them, you literally just push it gently in, once it's all the way in it feels like it instantly dissolves and you can't feel it. I always feel instant relief from using one. They don't get rid of the pile, but they shrink it down.

I've also mentioned my issue to various GPs and always been told it's just piles. I've had an MRI of my pelvis though (for an unrelated reason) and nothing could be seen on there, so 🤷

CC4712 · 16/07/2023 22:00

@lazymorningscrolling It was a long dog and many fingers up my bum to get there!

OMG- Please tell me this was a typo!!! I nearly splat my vino all over the laptop reading that 😂

lazymorningscrolling · 16/07/2023 21:46

You can get the piles treated if they are affecting you. However, the wait list is long and they tend to be overrun with elderly patients with extremely severe piles. I had mine stapled and it was useless, so not take this option! I then needed something else done on my bum and the very kind surgeon removed the worst one while up there. I have two internal piles left that the next surgeon refused to touch (does how lucky I was the first time) but they don't affect me so I don't mind. It was a long dog and many fingers up my bum to get there! Would you consider going private?

hedgehoglurker · 16/07/2023 21:44

The medicine shrinks it. Yes, it may return if it becomes engorged again, but the vein is supposed to be there.

KatsuYum · 16/07/2023 21:42

You are likely straining when doing a BM or because you have a pile would benefit from a softer stool - that’s what the suppository is doing. Your vein is swollen, the cream will help reduce it and if it’s not continuously being strained it will go down. Obviously lots of water as well.

hedgehoglurker · 16/07/2023 21:40

The suppository is solid, but creamy/ waxy and will melt once inside you. You don't have to push it in too far either. I find it sort of gets sucked in once it is most of the way in, so you shouldn't need to insert your finger at all.

cactusjane · 16/07/2023 21:37

Do they actually "cure" the piles though? I don't understand how a cream or suppository can get rid of what is technically a vein.

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hedgehoglurker · 16/07/2023 21:34

Honestly, it's not difficult once you try. Probably the easiest way is whilst sat on the toilet, just try not to drop it in.

I've used hundreds as I have bowel disease and one of my meds comes as a suppository. I've also used anusol and germaloids suppositories, which really help internal piles.

KatsuYum · 16/07/2023 21:32

cactusjane · 16/07/2023 21:26

Sounds so childish but I'm just a bit scared and unsure how they work and how to insert them Blush

The cream takes the sting and pressure feeling away after a BM and that's usually all I need. I tend to forget about them until I have another bad BM and have pain or bleeding.

It’s not all you need as you keep getting symptoms back so it’s not fully treating the cause. Not having a go, just be brave and follow the plan 👍

KPops22 · 16/07/2023 21:29

Make a plan - use the things as prescribed and if it doesn't get better then go to doc and tell them your worries. I watch the TV Doctor's Surgery programme and the number of people who come in and say they have stopped taking medicine is 🙄. The doctors must feel like punching them 😂

Hedjwitch · 16/07/2023 21:29

Suppositories really help with piles. Just push one gently up your bum. It doesnt hurt...but yiur next BM might be whitish so dont panic.

Witch hazel is also good for piles.

cactusjane · 16/07/2023 21:26

hedgehoglurker · 16/07/2023 21:13

Your GP has clearly taken you seriously, as you've had a colonoscopy.

The suppositories will probably really help. Why haven't you used them?

Sounds so childish but I'm just a bit scared and unsure how they work and how to insert them Blush

The cream takes the sting and pressure feeling away after a BM and that's usually all I need. I tend to forget about them until I have another bad BM and have pain or bleeding.

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hedgehoglurker · 16/07/2023 21:13

Your GP has clearly taken you seriously, as you've had a colonoscopy.

The suppositories will probably really help. Why haven't you used them?

KatsuYum · 16/07/2023 20:47

But you can see how that’s a problem OP? if you are inconsistent in treating them, you will continue to get symptoms and then it’s very difficult to differentiate if the GP keeps saying ‘it’s just piles’.

Also they are causing you issues. They are bleeding or you can’t tell where from. I think you need to make a concerted effort for the next 2 weeks and see what happens. Good luck.

cactusjane · 16/07/2023 20:36

KatsuYum · 16/07/2023 19:59

It sounds like you need treatment for the piles first as if it continues then you’d know to investigate further. What is your current treatment plan?

I've been given cream and suppositories but I have to admit I haven't consistently used them and I haven't used the suppositories at all. Like I say, they don't really cause me too much trouble other than a bit of pain/pressure straight after a BM and the bleeding. The cream definitely helps with the pain.

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KatsuYum · 16/07/2023 19:59

It sounds like you need treatment for the piles first as if it continues then you’d know to investigate further. What is your current treatment plan?

cactusjane · 16/07/2023 16:25

It's very hard when you see multiple GPs and they all say the same thing. You feel like you should just take their word for it. And I know I definitely do have piles, it's not like they've misdiagnosed that. I guess I just worry that it could be covering something else.

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