To not get the Taylor swift hype?

You said you would be put off by teens at a concert. Phone waving at gigs isn't only by teens, its an epidemic.

but there were no phones then

I'm a fairly recent fan. It was this video that made me fall in love with her a bit. She's so sweet in it and Shaun Dooley is so gobamacked. Also...she's a giant!

The misogyny towards women musicians is real. I'm a huge Judie Tzuke fan (80s, genius songwriter) and the savagery of the (male) music critics towards her was horrible. Almost all personal comments about her appearance.
And why are female singers always compares to each other like it's a competition.

Who do you think concerts are for. I was 15 the first time I saw Queen.

It’s also a bit like comparing apples and oranges, completely different style of music and Lizzo is only 4 albums in and only really been mainstream a few years.

Literally all they have in common is that they’re women in music...

@yanak8 because she’s touring and they’ve had to do weird things with ticket sales to make sure it wasn’t chaos.

I don't know any of her songs. Just wondered why there had been so many mentions on Mumsnet recently.

Lizzo is brilliant live, the energy is unmatched. I don't see why women always have to pitted against eachother, both are talented and successful.

what makes Lizzo a joke? I'm not hugely knowledgeable of her music but she released some very catchy tunes, puts on a good show, plays the flute!

Comparing her to a joke karaoke artist seems...odd.

1989 is my favourite album! Not a popular choice though lol

Im no fan of Taylor but comparing her with Lizzo who is like a joke Kareoke artist is pretty terrible.

Totally agree, do not get the hype at all

I'm taking notes. Ta!

I missed lover 🤣 that’s after reputation, and again definitely pop

@tabulahrasa excellent, your summary of the albums is helpful. Gotta start somewhere as a TS ignoramus! Can make my mind up as I go along but just need shoving in one direction or other. Thanks! 😁

Depends what you like normally tbh.

Newer fans tend to work backwards, lol, most fans could give you a list of songs, but it’d be a different list from everyone of them and for different reasons.

Her first album is very country, fearless and speak now it’s still country but more poppy. Red is mostly pop with a bit of country. 1989 and reputation are definitely pop, folklore and evermore are more folk/indie inspired and midnights is back to pop again.

Thats all very loose categorising though, there’s a bit of country type storytelling in all the albums, speak now and red have a bit of a lean towards emo rock, reputation is influenced by EDM and rap.

Thank you! 😘

She’s definitely in the same bracket as kate bush / Joni Mitchell / kirstie McColl singing about women’s lived experiences

Ha yes. All this.
My DD loves TS and I think she's a great role model...as well as great performer. Her show is 3 hours too so I feel like the ticket (£75) is possibly better value than Harry Styles! (Who we also love)
Not sure if I'm going yet. I bought tickets for DD and friends but if they collectively have enough I'm on the reserve list!😄

She's breaking records all over the place at the moment; the Eras tour is enormous with unprecedented demand for tickets, her re-recordings of her old material have gone stratospheric, she has four albums in the Top Ten simultaneously - I think saying she's less popular or her shine has dulled is categorically untrue. You might not like her, but she's bigger than ever right now.

Yes, I was thinking of that! Books that are wise and witty and honest dismissed as fluff. But men writing about relationships or their feelings are being so brave and groundbreaking of course. I think Taylor Swift's lyrics are poetry and she encapsulates so much in a perfect phrase. The way she writes about insecurity, neediness, loneliness, fear, self doubt, loss, love and joy creates a connection that makes fans love her so intensely - it feels very real and relateable, even though she's a squillionaire megastar. It makes her very human and vulnerable. Other artists like Joni Mitchell and Kate Bush mentioned on the thread are very similar in that way I think.

Interesting article here about the attitude to 'stuff that young girls like' and how it's so often belittled:

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Go straight to her 1989 album. Every song is amazing.

Oh to be this negative and ill informed.

Taylor Swift wrote a few good catchy pop tunes….now the tunes are less popular & her shine has been dulled by the likes of Lizzo, she takes off a few more clothes & is seen ‘dating’ an ex junkie to get a bit of a ‘bad girl’ image. Few more years & she’ll have had a few facial surgeries & no doubt rented a few wombs….isn’t she just a 21st century Madonna but with more auto tuning?

Well, hello thread on Taylor Swift. I'm looking for this.
I'm old. (I mean that.) I'd never knowingly heard a TS song until....yesterday! For some reason I just decided it was time I tried her out. So I went along to Youtube and tried one (sorry can't remember which one!) and I LOVE HER INSTANTLY. Now I've listened/watched five and loved three two meh.
So any advice on how to proceed from here would be amazing.
What MUST I listen to? I haven't RTFT yet, I'm only just through the first 100 posts. Just thought I'd ask!
Also she's really gorgeous to watch, very sassy and interesting. And yes great words. Impressed with her intelligence. God I might go all fangirl.
Big fan of Joni Mitchell, back in the day.