To not get the Taylor swift hype?

I stand corrected!

I have just never liked her music but appreciate she must be talented.

I'm not a massive fan but looking forward to seeing her with my partner, who is a big fan. I don't care if you like her or not, why would I? But the hype is because millions of people do like her, it's not rocket science...! I would never want to Ed Sheeran but I don't question why others like him

Yes that’s how she spun it.

She initially said it was about the look alike and then she was caught on camera saying what a great idea it was after he asked her permission.

Then she changed it to it’s because she didn’t know he was going to say the word bitch - even though it’s caught on camera that he’s playing her the song and saying the exact words and she’s laughing saying something like omg that’s so funny because everyone says it’s you that made me famous and he said yes that’s why he wants her as part of the song.

Her image is about her being a good girl (even though some of her lyrics are shocking) and she was worried that this song would hurt that image and her brand.

I’d rather my daughter want to go see someone like taylor though than Cardi B or something

I do find this element of the Taylor Swift fandom interesting. Her music is so mum and dad approved. Previously that would have been the kiss of death to a young artist.

I feel that way about Beyonce.

Really don’t get the fuss and everyone fawning at over ‘Queen B’🙄 people give her far too much credit.

if everyone liked the same artists it would be boring though.

I’d rather my daughter want to go see someone like taylor though than Cardi B or something

It’s crazy that you’ll believe her over actual evidence.

You can literally hear her speaking and discussing the song and the parts she likes and other things to do etc.

There was no editing and the full video shows that she’s a liar and it’s one of the many times she’s been called out being fake but people like you won’t hear of it.

This absolutely nails it. In my 20s I was deep into the most obscure, alternative stuff I could find and I even used to write for one of the more pretentious music rags. I loathed 'pop' and held anything that I viewed as commercial or mainstream in complete disdain.

I was entirely wrong. I am now in my 50s and rediscovering the utterly life-affirming joy of good-quality pop music. I ADORE Harry Styles (hence username) and I am developing a taste for Taylor Swift. I think both of them are extremely talented and deserve the hype. Yes, there's still plenty of crap music out there to be dismissive of, but Taylor Swift ain't it.

And my 20-year-old Sonic Youth-obsessed ds also seriously rates Harry Styles (Taylor not so much tbh but hey ho).

I think because social media has resulted in it being the hypiest hype that's ever hyped. Obviously there have always been mega popular bands and musicians that other people weren't into but the Swift thing being all over social media means it's almost impossible to fully filter it out. It feels a bit like watching people going through some kind of religious experience.

Not many great bands around either. Glasto headliners this year were Guns n Roses (big success in the 80s) and Elton (big success in the 70s). Even the Arctics coming up to 20 years ago their heralded first album, where's all the new stuff that isn't drivel? Last year McCartney (Beatles in the 60s).

Exactly. Horrible goady thread with many spiteful comments about a successful talented young woman. The jealousy is rife on here. So unpleasant to see. I'm out. It's making me nauseous.

Goodness I feel the same. I think her music is dreadful - so so boring.

But why do you have to understand the hype? Surely music is like everything else in life, everyone likes different things?

More likely a guitar, but yeah she writes her own songs.

Why does that bother you so much? Why is Taylor's talent getting under your skin so much? Green doesn't suit you.

No, hence the "back in my day" trope doesn't apply to today.

Again, talent doesn't change, unfortunately for music the environment has, enormously. You said it, creativity, individuality...infinitely less as record companies go for pre-packaged acts (Cowell and co. playing a huge role), also theres no longer any regional movements (Merseybeat, Seattle grunge, London/NYC punk rock etc.) as they can't organically develop independently anymore as they become known very early via the internet.

I think maybe I'm too old for her... (what a Pile of wank) my 10yr quite likes her

My neighbour is 29 by the way, not 929!!!

This. ^ Lots of jealousy towards Taylor on here. Beautiful, talented, gifted, successful, rich etc... It's understandable, but people are embarrassing themselves with their clear and obvious irrational hatred for her.

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@Jongleterre when I was growing up i hated everything mainstream. I thought Morrissey's disdain for popularism was the coolest thing ever. I didn't think you could like The Smiths and George Michael and so I made my choices. But as a middle aged woman (who still loves The Smiths) I see that Morrissey is an insufferable prick and that George Michael was not only incredibly talented but a kind and lovely human being. I kick myself for a sense of superiority over people who just liked something different.

Music snobbery is tiresome.

Agree. It's so pathetic when people claim to hate popular and mainstream artists. And CLAIM they have never heard of their songs. Agree also that Morrisey is an insufferable little prick. I loathe the man.

As I said, the type of poster who is slagging off Taylor Swift and those who like her, are the same type who berate and mock people for liking Disney or for playing video games. Rude, arrogant little snobs. The same type who sneer at a woman in her 30s being given a soft toy for Valentine's Day 'because toys are for kids,' (when deep down they're jealous and bitter because no man ever buys them anything.)

Same type who mock grown women who like Unicorns, (and other fantasy things like fairy gardens,) and also pop stars, and TV shows that are mainstream and popular with the young - like Love Island. A neighbour mine 929 y.o. woman) said the other week that her spiteful 35 y.o. colleague mocked her for going to Alton Towers, and said she was really childish.

There are some spectacularly rude and judgemental people out there. Some are on this thread sadly.

Ah cross posted! Completely agree.
Or look at beatlemania. That was next level crazy stuff. The screaming!

She writes her own songs.

It’s not just her producers etc that say so, every artist she’s collaborated with say so, even John Mayer who would absolutely say if she didn’t given he’s complained publicly about the song she wrote about him.

I remember when Michael Jackson and Madonna came to the UK in the 80s. Everyone lost their minds about them too! I don’t see this as any different. Taylor in fact seems to be one of the few singers today to get close to those levels of mega stardom.

Of course. But I've never seen so much utter hysteria over a pop singer, which made me ask the question.

Ahh then you obviously weren't around for Donny Osmond, David Cassidy, Elvis, The Beatles and many others. I haven't been to 'a gig' for many years now but hysteria over pop stars is certainly not a new phenomenon.

So she sat at the piano like Freddie Mercury and came up with a song like he did with Bohemian Rhapsody?

Do me a favour.