To not get the Taylor swift hype?

I’ve already said earlier, but I honestly think a lot of the hype for this tour is because of her not having toured here since reputation, then add in newer fans from the recent albums.

Then add in a bit of hype about the actual show being all over social media... and what happened with the USA ticket sales.

and huge demand.

Not that I’m not a fan, I went to get last 2 U.K. tours and had tickets for the cancelled one, but I don’t think it’d be as bad if she’d toured every album as normal.

@StopBeingASquare have you listened to any of the suggested songs? You might even be too young to appreciate the two I've mentioned as I certainly didn't appreciate how horrible miscarriage is until I'd been through it myself.

A pp said her songs were teenage angsty... Well yes, she wrote a lot of them when she WAS a teenager... She also has some very adult songs too (like I mentioned above). Admittedly some of her recent songs have looked back at her past, but always from an adult perspective.

I was about to reply OP and say I was taken to task earlier for not being a real fan for not seeing the hype either but I see this thread has also been infiltrated too 😂
I don't get it at all. I am actually a fan, not quite as much as my teenage daughter but definitely a fan. I have seen her before and I particularly love her recent music. I am going to go this time and willing to pay for the privilege. But this level of hype makes no sense. She is a talented musician but there are many other talented musicians too. Beyoncé, Ed Sheeran, Coldplay have done massive stadium tours without nearly so much fuss and codes etc. But nobody else seems to inspire such devotion in suburban white women for some reason!

Agree with every word Never. Listen to “Soon you’ll get better” when you have an ill parent and try not be moved. Impossible.

@SistersNotCisters

My oldest DD who is 15 has been talking about and waiting for this tour for a good couple of years. She stayed up until 6.15am watching a live stream of the first American show.

It means so much to her to go and I am excited to see her so excited...means I am also quite looking forward to it now.

She is outfit planning and friendship bracelet planning already (hoping it will slow down a bit for a few months)

Yes she uses other producers and songwriters at times, partly because she likes to experiment with different sounds and types of production. But the majority of the song writing is her. There's a unmistakable stamp on all of her songs of her lyricism and intelligence.

@SayHi you are definitely wrong about the phonecall. The actual lyrics as they appear on the song aren't discussed at any time. The sex part comes up (not worded the same), but you can tell she's very very uncomfortable with it all even though she doesn't say so, probably because she doesn't want to give him any more ammunition. She's also uncomfortable with the 'he made her famous' part and kinda says she was already well known but he made her more so, or words to that affect. He definitely doesn't say he's gonna call her a bitch.

It was widely acknowledged when the full footage came out that she hadn't told any lies and the crux of the matter is that those two assholes tried to ruin her career.

Do I believe Taylor can sing as well as Freddie Mercury? No.
Do I personally prefer her voice to Adele, Ariana, Beyonce? 1000%.

I actually have a decent voice but find Taylor's songs so hard to sing because she's an alto.

Do I think she can write songs as well as Freddie Mercury? 10,000% and for me she's actually better because her lyrics are so clever and resonate to my life. As much as bohemian rhapsody is a great song, I'm still not sure what it means.

My dad died from covid and on his anniversary I created a video/photo montage of memories with various appropriate songs in the background. The one track that stands out for everyone who watches it is the TS song Marjorie, written about her late grandmother. She even samples her grandmother on the song (she was an opera singer). It's stunning. And so simple.

Another track which is so gorgeous is Bigger Than the Whole Sky, which is heavily suspected to be about miscarriage. I've had 2 miscarriages and that song just encapsulates that feeling so strongly.

She has sooooo many beautiful songs I couldn't even start to list them all. But her singles rarely fully portray her gift. She's really special. Honestly.

Oh I seeee bad faith takes are the thing you’re passionate about! Have fun OP.

Not sneering!

Your comment about people picking outfits already was sneering. At least own it and take some responsibility rather than trying to backtrack.

The Pink reference made me laugh out loud.

I was waiting for you to tell us you only like opera singers who have undergone years of training at European conservatoires or you can only accept the purity of folk music from some remote tribal people who are untouched by the corporate hand of the Western music industry but, actually, you just like another very slightly different but adjacent flavour of 21st century mainstream American female vocal pop star.

Pink?!

Taylor Swift has done nothing wrong. She makes catchy pop music that lots of people love. That's her "secret".

Christ almighty, he's also responsible for two of her biggest hits

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Martin

Move that C grade I gave her to a D.

My husband and daughters are going. We did the whole preorder codes, three laptops and battling for good tickets stuff because my daughters (and DH) are really big fans. Taylor songs are always on in our house and my daughters have been discussing what they'll be wearing too. And why not? Why is making something fun something to be sneered at? I would have gone to the same effort for Queen if it had been a similar thing back then.

Just googled one of the catchy so I like of hers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Are_Never_Ever_Getting_Back_Together

Two others songwriters, including the genius that is Max Martin.

It's a farce she's in rolling stone's 100 greatest songwriters (especially given those who aint in it).

She's not my cup of tea. Her music is boring to me, it's all very teenage angst and she's not a strong vocalist or dancer, nor has any real charisma onstage to make up for it IN MY OPINION.

Props to her for writing her own songs though and I can understand why she appeals to young girls.

This reminds me of the “Game of Thrones” hype - people posting on social media “pleased to say I’ve never seen a single episode”. Why do people do this? If you don’t “get” something that literally millions of others enjoy, just get on with your life. Simple.

Me - I love her music, her USA leg of this tour is scoring 10/10 on music circuit charts, she sings 40 songs in 3 hours and has only ever cancelled one show and that was for political reasons.

By the time I see her I’ll be almost 60 - I’ve got my outfit planned - sequins, fringes and cowboy boots - and to quote Taylor it’ll be “weird but fucking beautiful” !!

We get one life - live it

What an odd comment coming from someone who overuses emoji’s in an attempt to look clever.

Yeah "F them" is a tad strong, she's a nice girl and she (aided by her team of songwriters) does cater to that particular female demographic. My younger sister is trying to get tickets for Dublin so I've seen first hand the demand for the lass.

Good pop artist, very pleasant, plays acoustic to a decent level, overall probably C level in popular music history.

Yep. She sits down with her guitar and comes up with her songs.

For a while now, I think there emerges every generation a few entertainers/singers/musicians whose fanbase is devoted to the point of hysteria. If you look at old clips of the Beatles or Elvis for example, when the camera scans the crowd, you see throngs of screaming, crying, fainting teenagers. When the Beatles came to the U.S., the reception was unprecedented.

Fans did the whole screaming, fainting thing for Michael Jackson in his heyday. Same holds true for those boy-bands of the 90’s like New Kids on the Block, NSYNC, Boys to Men, Back Street Boys and so on. And what about Justine Beiber, Harry Styles….? I think they're kind of mediocre…but to each his own. Taylor Swift - like Lady Gaga before her, is also a songwriter…. so it's not just about being a vocalist with snazzy dance moves.

The difference now might be the devoted fans aren’t just teenage girls as they were in the past but a bit more of a larger mix – though as usual pre-teen/teen girls are leading the charge…. But that’s becasue the marketing to this group is very deliberate. So for this generation the performers that are seen by their devoted fanbase as essentially demigods are Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Rhianna and a few others.

Though K-Pop (Korean Pop) groups – particularly BTS – are bigger in terms of fanbase than all these others COMBINED!!

That’s one of the ones she wrote in lockdown...

Jack Antonoff is her producer, there’s footage of them writing on other albums, it’s her writing a song and him helping with the odd word. He does change her acoustically written songs into more produced pop sounds as well.

Aaron Dresner from the National has written with her a fair bit, he’s given interviews about sending her fragments and her sending him back a full song hours later - but he’s not some background hit song maker, just the main singer and songwriter from his band.

The Justin vernon one is a collaboration with Bon Iver, so again a songwriter in that he writes for Bon Iver.

and William Bowery is her (ex) boyfriend an actor.

It’s not a songwriting ‘team’ like for instance Beyoncé where songs are given to her and she changes bits.

She does write songs, and did speak now entirely alone because it’s often said that she doesn’t really write... never by anyone who’s worked with her though.

How is what I said immature? 🤔 I don’t particularly like the music you’re referring to but when never say “fuck them” because I’m mature enough to realise we all have different tastes and likes..

@SquashPenguin I mean, your comment, more than any other on this thread, was very snobby, and you were talking about metal at the time. If the shoe fits...

@YerAWizardHarry That the most ‘grown up’ response you could come up with is it? 🤣🤣🤣