To not get the Taylor swift hype?

Yes, it's worth remembering that the tour she is on is a celebration of her entire back catalogue - it's rare for artists in their prime to do this, their tours are usually heavily focused on one record, so I think this particular idea for a tour has garnered a lot of attention and interest

But she is a very limited vocalist, can’t dance, doesn’t have great stage presence. I like some of her songs but don’t understand the obsession with her tour.

Best comment 😁 I saw them for the 4th & 5th time last month and it was as amazing as ever!

Thing with her eras tour is that it's a show, it's a spectacle and I suspect plenty who aren't exactly really really into her music want to see and experience it.

Yes, it's worth remembering that the tour she is on is a celebration of her entire back catalogue - it's rare for artists in their prime to do this, their tours are usually heavily focused on one record, so I think this particular idea for a tour has garnered a lot of attention and interest.

I’ve already said earlier, but I honestly think a lot of the hype for this tour is because of her not having toured here since reputation, then add in newer fans from the recent albums.

She has a a LOT of new fans since the pandemic when she released Folklore and Evermore, people who never listened to her before. Hence known as the pandemic swifties 😃whereas I am a white suburban woman who has been listening since 2007.

the comments about suburban white women loving her made me think of a night out recently where three of my black
colleagues were openly disparaging of Taylor and one even called her a basic white girl.
I wish I was as basic as her

She comes from money, her Dad pretty much brought the first label she was signed to (owned 90% of it) so she’s had a very easy ride.

On TikTok her current tour is shown a lot and I find her boring on tour, she can’t really sing live well or dance, as opposed to Beyoncé whose tour videos I can’t stop watching on TikTok and blow me away.

New level for MN. Never heard of Taylor Swift 😂

But nobody else seems to inspire such devotion in suburban white women for some reason!

I mean I'm not white and I'm not devoted to her, but she's been releasing music for 17 years, she writes about her feelings and what she's experiencing which not only resonates when people listen back ie a teen now listening to speak now, but also with the people who have grown up listening to her. She also used to do a tonne for her fans (not sure if she still does to the same extent) and I guess that inspires loyalty in some.

Thing with her eras tour is that it's a show, it's a spectacle and I suspect plenty who aren't exactly really really into her music want to see and experience it.

Yes, I think it is the lyric writing that makes her stand out, particularly as she has written so much.

I think she's a brilliant poet too. Bob Dylan won the nobel prize for literature and I'm sure Taylor won't because she's not
considered a heavyweight, despite writing beautiful music with phenomenal perceptive lyrics since her teens.

I think she is very popular because she is a very prolific songwriter and the type of song is quite varied. The singles tend to be more pop but there are a lot of folk and country songs on the albums some of which are very good. Unlike most artistes who might have only a couple of good tracks on their albums which have already been released as singles, her album tracks are often better.

I don't really get it but I'm in my 50s and dd 19 loves her and was delighted to get tickets, so I'm pleased for her

I went to Manchester, it sold out, she added an extra date afterwards.

I’d got tickets for the first one, but terrible ones, got better ones for the second, tried to sell the first ones for face value and they didn’t sell.

So I kind of assume with a lot of sold out concerts, it’s actually resellers buying them tbh.

As in neither night was particularly empty (well I wasn’t wasting the tickets, lol) but I bet if actual people wanting to go had been the only buyers there’d have been no second night.

Yep I think the development of those sites has had a huge impact. Both Red and 1989 were pretty much capacity as far as I can remember.

It's a shame when seats are left empty, sometimes near the front, especially for hard to get ones. I'm sure it's caused by places like Viagogo hogging the tickets and then not selling them because the price is too high.

There were loads of empty seats at reputation at the Wembley show I attended. It definitely wasn’t sold out. I think she’s just great, not putting her down, just trying to understand/discuss why it’s all gone so bonkers this time!

@User10486743 this is not the case for everyone. I am not someone who is interested in reliving my uni days at blur or whatever. It feels a bit stale to me, maybe fun with mates and a few drinks but generally I enjoy current music more. my younger kids tend to like bands and artists because I play and encourage it and like to take them to concerts - although my teen is big into TS!

It’s funny (or not) how determined people are to treat a slight, pretty young woman as a novice; she is anything but. Love her or hate her, she is formidable.

I'm also a dinosaur who doesn't know anything by her or even what she sounds like but I don't have any young people in the house so it wouldn't be what I listen to anyway. I may have heard her on Radio 2 if she is ever on there but I wouldn't know. I also don't know anything by Ed Sheeran either. I think if you have teens and older children at home you get to hear much more modern music like TS as they listen to it.

hahahaa I must be a real dinosaur but I would not be able to name any of Taylor Swift's songs or recognise her voice )))

She was selling out stadium tours 10 years ago. Her popularity has endured. Some of these posts make it sound as if she released her first album last year.

I thought the hype was because of massive faff?
Pre-sales, lottery etc. It's so hard to buy tickets these days
I love gigs but simply cannot be ducking arsed. Especially with so many other things to do.

Then you never get through or find out all the affordable ones are sold out anyways, only to mysteriously appear for sale elsewhere at 3x the price.

So done with all this BS

Yeah, but she’s put out way more albums in that time though is more what I mean about the not touring part.

As in it’s not just that she’s not toured, it’s that there’s 4 albums worth of not touring.

And some of the hype is just - general, tickets are hard to get, must try and get some type hype as well, obviously.

The extra faff is because the ticket sales went so badly wrong in America.

But, tbh, I think it should have just been a case of album pre-sales and make it so tickets resold on sites where you can put the price up will be cancelled and it would have worked much better.

If you'd written this thread about Beyonce, Cardi B or Meg Thee Stallion, you wouldn't have needed to add the preamble about having your arse handed to you on a plate. Taylor represents a lot more than just a pretty singer to many, many people. Thank goodness success isn't predicated on talent.

@tabulahrasa I agree with what you are saying but many artists didn't tour for a while, Coldplay being one, and they are famed for putting on amazing shows. They are circling back to many regions twice as the demand is so great. Nevertheless, there was a lot less hype and faff around the process!

Taylor swift isn't my cup of tea, but have heard that her shows are really good.

We all have differing tastes and that's ok.

I do think though that her pr team have done an outstanding job and have created a frenzy for the tickets with people willing to fly all over just to get a ticket and have some friends who are not only now flying abroad but paid for a vip package as to not disappoint their teen.