To not get the Taylor swift hype?

Mainly women. And dads, and boyfriends, and sons. But that is also ok 😉her message is very much one of the female experience. And we need artists to do that too I think!

She gets a fair amount of men at her gigs, from the clips I've seen on social media, but her main audience is definitely women and girls. But whether she appeals less to men is neither here nor there.

Taylor's fans don't give a shit that others don't care about Taylor. We really don't. So save your breath, and your faux confusion and blatherings like 'how come she is sooo popular,?'

I would completely and utterly dispute this. I have read so many debates on here about different artists and whether they are truly talented . But I have never seen anything like the defensiveness of Taylor Swift fans. It is those fans who are accusing people of musical snobbery and of thinking themselves cool and edgy - just for not liking Taylor Swift. If you love a particular artist, just own it, without the massive chip on your shoulder.

Disclaimer: I have no opinion on her as I haven't listened to any of her music. That's not some sort of weird snobbery. It's just a fact. She could have wonderful depths. She could be a poet. She could be Seamus Heaney in a frock for all I know.

Do many men go to her concerts, I have never heard DS(32) mention her and he goes to loads of gigs and Glastonbury every year or is it just mainly women

But she is a very limited vocalist, can’t dance, doesn’t have great stage presence. I like some of her songs but don’t understand the obsession with her tour.

Well, my point wasn't really that loads of people that weren't previously interested in her would be interested in the tour, but that it would be particularly appealing to anyone who does already like her, more so than the majority of tours which are built around one album release.

Bless you. She does look great. But you do realise she has had a lot of plastic surgery?

Max Martin isn’t “responsible” for any of her hits. He co-wrote some of her songs with her. The songwriting credits thing, well legally if someone who is just sitting on the couch in the corner of the room while she’s writing a song suggests one word in one line, they have to get songwriting credit. I mean for fuck’s sake Richard Ashcroft had to give the entire songwriting credit for Bittersweet Symphony to Mick Jagger and Keith Richards because he used a short string sample of theirs! But Taylor has been the chief writer of every song on every album, which for someone with a back catalogue as long and varied as hers is no mean feat.

And she does write incredible songs. Yeah there’s some middle of the road pop in there but even the lyrics to her poppiest pop songs are very witty and clever when you actually listen to them.

But songs like Ronan, and Bigger Than The Whole Sky… I can’t even listen to them, they’re so gut wrenching and personal.

I find her voice beautiful… there’s no ridiculously overblown melisma like you get with Beyoncé, no belting high notes - because she’s an alto and she knows her range and sticks to it. Her voice had a lovely smooth, mellow tone which harmonises perfectly, and when she sings you can actually hear what she’s singing which you often can’t with eg Ariana Grande or Lady Gaga. Having an 8 octave range and a Richter scale vibrato aren’t the only hallmarks of a talented vocalist.

I think what’s made this tour so massive is that it’ll be her first time in the UK for 6 years, it’s covering songs from all 10 of her albums including 4 that are being performed live for the first time, and the scale and the production of the shows is absolutely insane. Yeah the tickets are expensive but nobody could look at the footage coming out on SM and say they can’t see where the money is going. And she does put on an amazing show… I went to see her at Wembley for the Reputation tour and it was one of the best live shows I’ve ever seen - better than the Foo Fighters who I saw the following night, and I really love them too!

I’m going to one of the Wembley shows next year with some friends- we’re late 30’s to mid-40’s in age so the idea that all her fans are teenybopper kids is ridiculous. I find music snobbery so depressing, it’s sad that anyone has to defend their music taste. There are globally massive artists and bands that I’m really not into, so I don’t buy their albums, I don’t go to their shows and I don’t start threads about them.

I did not say she is average. I said ‘I think’ she is average. Millions don’t agree with me I know.

Why are you lot taking it so personally?? My teen daughter knows I find TS meh. She doesn’t get so upset about it. She is clearly far more mature than you.

What a silly little comment. You sound extremely immature: ‘you’re average’ 😂

Yes I am an average person. As most likely, are you. That’s ok.

And having a private jet does not impress me at all.

‘I think’ she is average, with an average voice and average tunes. You can have a childish tantrum if you want; I still think she is average. That’s ok. I am sure TS isn’t crying about that. My daughter has enough enthusiasm for both of us though!

I am embarrassed for you.

Yeah, I don't get it either. Nor Pink, actually.

Obviously I get the different strokes for different folks thing but what has shocked me is the level of hysteria over tour tickets.

There are clearly way more TS fans out there than I realised!

Fair play to her, though. She comes across as a really down to Earth, nice person.

If you are a middle aged women you are probably not the target audience though.

That's quite a bold statement, bearing mind she's 33 herself

"Some 45% of avid fans are millennials, people between the ages of 27 and 42, while 23% are baby boomers, 21% are Gen Xers and just 11% are members of Gen Z" (source: Forbes)

If you are a middle aged women you are probably not the target audience though.

I understand that others enjoy her music, but I listen to her songs and struggle to understand how she's been elevated to goddess status. She's perfectly lovely, and write reasonably catchy tunes. Other than that, I don't see that she's any better than her peers. But that's the joy of artistic endeavour, isn't it? It's all subjective. I hope all whomanaged to get tickets are looking forward to seeing her, and have an amazing time. After all, that's the whole point of it, isn't it?

It probably doesn't help with tickets that if a lot of younger people go then a parent has to get a ticket as well as they can't often go on their own.

It was to stop the bots and scalpers and let actual fans get the tickets, to the most part, it's been successful so far.

There’s hype because she is extremely popular and demand far outstrips supply for her concerts. It’s not too difficult to
understand. I could name many musicians/ bands/ activities/hobbies which I don’t care at all for but which other people do. I can’t imagine flying abroad for a football match but it makes some people happy which is what life is all about!

I think her father is a stockbroker so probably not someone with huge connections in the music industry.

Once I got out of my teens, I never really fangirled any singer. Even the singers and bands I do like, there are always a few songs of there's I really dislike and I really hate going to concerts as well so its not for me. However, we are all different and if it's what makes people happy.....

I enjoy how she slags off men in every song. I will sing loudly and wear something obnoxious because I like her and I want to take my daughter to see her live as she’s a massive, massive fan (yes, I have tickets!) Lots of musicians I don’t connect with, which is ok too because tastes vary.

Thank you for actually reading what the people who know what they are talking about have said.

She does dance a bit fwiw. She's not amazing but definitely pulled it off for the rep tour. It's on Netflix (and very watchable, not just for fans like me (I'm in my 40s btw)). You should watch a bit and see what you think.

Reputation was her turning the lowest part of her life into something to positive. It's her darkest album but at it's core it's mostly love songs actually.

I posted upthread to say I know one of her songs. I’m not a fan - she is neither here nor there to me.

But why say she’s ‘average’? She’s achieved more than you could in her wildest dreams. 🤷🏻‍♀️ You look silly saying that.

Average 😀😀 too funny.

Football leaves me cold but appreciate many people are passionate about it. Horses for courses but it’s quite pathetic to actually criticise just because it’s not to your taste - particularly when you haven’t actually properly listened to her stuff.

Wouldn't recognise her stuff, it's all generic blah to me.

I think I would be put off by a lot of teens at a concert waving their phones about.

It could be because I’m set in my ways a bit and tend to enjoy what I know, so I don’t really listen to new music unless I’m forced to, but I honestly really don’t enjoy listening to her. We often go for a drive on a weekend and my husband and daughter listen to her in the car and it just bores me rigid. Not just her though. I seem to have a hate for songs where they’re just ‘talking to music’. Though I appreciate not all of hers are like that.

That said, my music listening choices are generally Absolute 80’s and 90’s, George Michael, Prince, and then house music from the early 90’s onwards so I’m probably not in a position to give a decent opinion!😂