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To hate how mums always have to sacrifice their career...

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rumun88 · 06/07/2023 14:31

I have 2 kids .. one 18 month old and a 6 year old. I work in a cafe for an estate, one week day and one weekend day and there's no flexibility in that I have to do a weekend day.

I've been offered a job as a GP receptionist and I would love to take it. But it's only £10.42 an hour and with it being weekdays we would need to pay childcare. Basically with the summer hols coming up, childcare for both kids would cost more than my wage. DH will cover it, but part of me is thinking what's the point when it means I'm not bringing any money to the pot technically. I'd also have to have both kids in different childcare settings which are opposite side of town by 7.30am. In my current job he works from home the 1 week day and is home the weekend day so no childcare.

So I have the choice, take the new job and get my weekends back but don't exactly earn, keep my current job and work every single weekend.. or be a SAHM.

Please help. I could cry! I was a dental nurse before kids and again childcare was an issue. We have no family support.

What would you do?

OP posts:
GCSister · 06/07/2023 15:01

Lambiriyani · 06/07/2023 14:43

In the early years isn't it better for children to be raised by their mother instead of a stranger?

What's better for child development?

She doesn't want to be a SAHM.
End of.

CaringIsWaring · 06/07/2023 15:00

I think this should say how women with family responsibilities always have to sacrifice their career

How many women are caring full time for elderly parents at the expense of their career? While the brothers (if they have any) are trotting along on their merry way.

I'm a carer and my career has just stopped totally.

It's layers and layers of social conditioning that raises women to learn that women are soft, loving and caring; expects them to be loving and caring and then surround them with men that expect that too.

ManilaBlanks · 06/07/2023 14:59

they tend to be short staffed in the summer as their staff are probably mums who want time off with their kids.

ManilaBlanks · 06/07/2023 14:58

You could keep looking for different jobs. The GP ain't daft, they know summer holidays they tend to be staffed and can sack you after the holidays with no commitment as they say it was under trial.
It's the worst time to get a new job the summer holiday.
Why don't you go back to dental nursing?
Reception at GP is very hard, terrible sickly angry annoyed patients all the time. I'd enjoy the summer and go back to dental nursing in the autumn.

tealandteal · 06/07/2023 14:58

It’s very easy to look at the income vs expenditure on childcare, however do consider pension’s contributions, having a gap on your CV, promotion prospects. Take the GP job and see how it works out, better than always wondering. If you haven’t already look at tax free childcare.

gldd · 06/07/2023 14:57

Nordicrain · 06/07/2023 14:49

When we had kids, DH earned more than me. I still stayed in work.

Look, I'm not saying it's easy or always makes the best financial sense. But ultimately it's a choice. For most women the "short" term financial hit to the family is worth the longer term earning and career potential. But society (and men) tells us that children are our responsibility and therefore our salary (rather than the family income) is pitted against it. It would be interesting if we looked at men's wages the same.

Your DH told you that children are your responsibility to look after and that your salary and career should suffer? No one I know would ever say or even think this. Which men are saying this? Most couples I know view their children as an entirely joint responsibility, and make a pragmatic and joint decision together about careers and childcare.

Have you ever considered that some women might actually want to give up work entirely or temporarily while their children are young? By blaming 'society' and 'men' you're taking away a lot of agency from mothers there..

MariaVT65 · 06/07/2023 14:57

Could you switch from nursery to childminder for a bit, as they are often cheaper? Then go back to nursery once you get some free hours?

Mama678 · 06/07/2023 14:55

Look at it this way, the GP receptionist you could do in the short term ~ 1year. Then you will have NHS experience to perhaps move up a pay grade into something else that takes your fancy perhaps at a different NHS site/outside the NHS perhaps? If the admin route is what you want to go for then thats an ideal solution. Much more secure than waitressing in the current climate.

BingBongDingDong · 06/07/2023 14:55

Lambiriyani · 06/07/2023 14:39

Might I ask why you don't want be to a SAHM?

Might I ask why OP's husband doesn't want to be a SAHD?

Inmydreams88 · 06/07/2023 14:53

I wouldn’t take the job if it meant you weren’t earning any money, and especially if then your husband would have to top up your wage to pay for the childcare too. It wouldn’t make financial sense as a family. Your family income would actually be less than if you weren’t working at all. The only way this would work if it’s the job of your dreams and could see yourself doing it long term, and also if you can afford to loose some of DHs wage and still be comfortable.

SunThroughTheCloudsAt6am · 06/07/2023 14:52

Do both - then quit one once you know how you feel/if the receptionist's job can give you more hours.

Nordicrain · 06/07/2023 14:49

rumun88 · 06/07/2023 14:47

@Nordicrain dental nursing I would never have earned what DH does, the best paid ones in my area are on about £14ph, which don't get me wrong is decent but it doesn't match DH's wage. In hindsight I'd have gone back to dental nursing but it's a wonderful thing is hindsight isn't it, and the practise I worked as has just been closed down so I may have found myself in this position anyway.

When we had kids, DH earned more than me. I still stayed in work.

Look, I'm not saying it's easy or always makes the best financial sense. But ultimately it's a choice. For most women the "short" term financial hit to the family is worth the longer term earning and career potential. But society (and men) tells us that children are our responsibility and therefore our salary (rather than the family income) is pitted against it. It would be interesting if we looked at men's wages the same.

rumun88 · 06/07/2023 14:49

@Yeahyeahno I bring home £600-£800ish depending if I do extra weekend cover or bank holidays etc.

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rumun88 · 06/07/2023 14:49

@Yeahyeahno they're both minimum wage really. Current job I get 10.42 + the 12% holiday pay top up with it being zero hours. Receptionist job is £10.47, I guess it obviously does hold more opportunities for possible pay rises though.

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rumun88 · 06/07/2023 14:47

@Lambiriyani no need to apologise at all but thank you x

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rumun88 · 06/07/2023 14:47

@Nordicrain dental nursing I would never have earned what DH does, the best paid ones in my area are on about £14ph, which don't get me wrong is decent but it doesn't match DH's wage. In hindsight I'd have gone back to dental nursing but it's a wonderful thing is hindsight isn't it, and the practise I worked as has just been closed down so I may have found myself in this position anyway.

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Yeahyeahno · 06/07/2023 14:45

Surely if you only work 2 days a week you can’t be bringing in much money either? Do whatever is best for job security and career progression. You don’t want to be working a min wage job when you split up

Lambiriyani · 06/07/2023 14:45

rumun88 · 06/07/2023 14:43

@Lambiriyani I was a SAHM until my eldest was 18 months, and if I'm honest my mental health took a dive. I'm just the kind of person who needs to be around others I think and be part of a team.

Thank you all for your advice! It's really appreciated.

I apologise for my remarks.

rumun88 · 06/07/2023 14:45

@Luxell934 this is where my mind keeps going.
I bring home £700 minimum in this job.
Receptionist I think will be around £600 but then there is the childcare hit. Part of me is thinking short term pain, long term gain? I don't know. Im so torn and time is running out before I have to tell them either a start date or that childcare is more of an issue than I had factored.

OP posts:
MrsTerryPratchett · 06/07/2023 14:45

Lambiriyani · 06/07/2023 14:43

In the early years isn't it better for children to be raised by their mother instead of a stranger?

What's better for child development?

No.

Also, the OP doesn't want to.

Nordicrain · 06/07/2023 14:44

They don't. You have sacrificed your original career, I assume, to allow your DH to prioritise yours. Now you can only get minimum wage jobs. That was the choice you two made, to sacrifice your earning potential when you had kids.

I never left my career when we had kids and earn almost double what my husband does now - if anyone needed to give up work it would be him.

Youcancallmeirrelevant · 06/07/2023 14:44

Sissynova · 06/07/2023 14:37

To hate how mums always have to sacrifice their career

They don't have to. They really don't.

I'd also have to have both kids in different childcare settings which are opposite side of town by 7.30am.

You make it sound like its your responsibility to get both kids to school and nursery on your own before you start work. If your husband is working from home one day the 6 year old doesn't need to be in breakfast club by 7:30, your DH can drop them both and you can split the other days in a way that makes sense.

The main thing here is you and your husband are viewing the kids as your job whether you work or not and that is where your problem comes.

This.

OP why did you give up your dental nurse role? Did your DH consider giving up his job?

If you take the GP job is your husband thinking about how he can bring in more money?

I'm going to guess that he (and you) view the children as your responsibility and he just gets to carry on as usual

rumun88 · 06/07/2023 14:43

@Lambiriyani I was a SAHM until my eldest was 18 months, and if I'm honest my mental health took a dive. I'm just the kind of person who needs to be around others I think and be part of a team.

Thank you all for your advice! It's really appreciated.

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Lambiriyani · 06/07/2023 14:43

In the early years isn't it better for children to be raised by their mother instead of a stranger?

What's better for child development?

FinallyHere · 06/07/2023 14:42

Just absolutely hate how some people internalise being the default parent, in the line for ensuring childcare needs are covered.

And how their partners just let them get on with it.

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