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To wonder why women only want equality and not revenge?

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Kingcatnight · 04/07/2023 19:09

Admittedly at the end of my tether with men at the moment so possibly BU but honestly right now I'm really struggling to understand what the majority of men appear to have to offer the world that in any way compares to or competes with the (IMO generally superior) social graces, intellectual power, emotional maturity, problem-solving skills, creativity and overall increased pleasantness of women.

I've spent the past week on the road visiting clients, most of whom are white middle class men in their 50's, and having to feign amusement at various childish jokes involving innuendo (not aimed at me, thankfully) and basic, rudimentary word-play. Before anyone suggests it, these clients bring a lot of money into the business I work for so a frosty response or "calling them out on it" would be ill-advised and incredibly damaging to my employer (and me!) but ye gods I'm sick of the self-satisfied look on their smug faces while they wait expectantly for their pathetic jokes to land and for me to respond.

Spent an hour's train ride today sitting in a packed carriage opposite a man who snorted and cleared his sinuses the entire journey, forcing everyone around him to listen to the sound of the snot going down the back of his throat, all whilst reading the absolutely sickening news that the Taliban are further restricting the rights of women in Afghanistan by closing all hair salons. Hair salons which were already only operating after having spray-painted out any pictures showing female faces on their signage. Women in this country are literally no longer allowed a face, let alone access to basic care, education etc.

And at the other far more superficial end of the scale the past few men I've dated, having gone to great lengths to try and vet them carefully beforehand, have turned out to be self-absorbed, selfish lovers who have clearly always relied on the woman's verbal agility and efforts to carry the entire conversation, and who actually have no interest in women beyond having a captive audience for their own accomplishments.

Weekly I hear of various other male relatives, or husbands/partners of friends and colleagues who generally don't pull their weight and give themselves a massive pat on the back for simply being half-competent at their job whilst contributing very little to home life, while their female counterpart is expected to excel as an employee, mother, partner, sister, daughter, friend, neighbour etc.

I say this as someone who has a very generous, caring father, generally decent male siblings etc, so I am aware "not all men", but I genuinely look around me in amazement at the number of smart, warm, dynamic and impressive women in my life who vastly outweigh the equivalent men and on days like today I can't help but think men don't realise how lucky they are that women are still only striving for equality and haven't taken it upon ourselves to overthrow them entirely...

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Me too 😊

MistyGreenAndBlue · 05/07/2023 15:15

boobot1 · 04/07/2023 21:23

So what about Newton, Einstein, Shakespere, Tesla, Keats, Shelley, Byron, Michael Angelo, Da Vinci, Beethoven, Bach...... bring nothing to world.... er ok!

Ok
Now name the same amount of women who have brought as much or more to the world. I assure you they exist but I bet you've never heard of them. Women's accomplishments are not celebrated the same way as men's. I wonder why.

YouAreNotBatman · 05/07/2023 12:53

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Well, I guess it works for you, if you really don’t have any aspirations in life.
But it sucks for those of us who want to do something much more than being a broodmare and cry.

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midgetastic · 05/07/2023 12:10

There is no actual evidence that women have "evolved" to be nurturing though is there? Girls are taught to be kind form day 1

And rates violence by men vary so drastically around the world that it's pretty clear there is a large element of learnt behaviour in that also - the dominant factor clearly

TrishM80 · 05/07/2023 12:09

I think this thread is getting derailed somewhat. Let's not lose sight of the OP's original point. A random middle aged white bloke blew his nose on the train.

What an entitled bastard!

Whatsun · 05/07/2023 10:25

WandaWonder · 04/07/2023 20:44

Ah the old women are saints and men are all terrible gets very old, women have choice (same as men) so make right choices and stop blaming everyone else

Neither of us are saints but one sex is responsible for the majority of violence in this world. I don't even blame men (in a way that I try not to blame anyone because we are all products of our genes and environments). It's kind of how we have evolved. We have evolved to be more nurturing, empathetic and less violent, etc to ensure the survival of our offspring. One of the sexes had to be.

I tell my daughter that if she should ever get lost and there is no shop or anything like that around the best person to approach is a mum with kids. The next best person is any woman. Men come somewhere at the bottom of that list. Sometimes I wonder if I'm being prejudiced or teaching her prejudice but I don't think I'm wrong (in my judgment of who is the safest to approach for help).

Tighginn · 05/07/2023 09:58

After the most shocking few years I have come to the conclusion that sex doesn't matter, everyone is evil, nasty pieces of work. Until the last week, I have never wanted revenge on anyone, that has changed dramatically. Nothing illegal, just truth telling.

Lentilweaver · 05/07/2023 09:53

Well, I am not white and I am not extracting revenge. I saw that as hyperbole on the part of the OP.

DisquietintheRanks · 05/07/2023 09:50

I'll be on it @Kingcatnight Right after I finish extracting revenge on white people and the British.

I'm sure you'll be cool at being on the receiving end - it's only fair.

maddening · 05/07/2023 09:49

Eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.

Revenge is a ridiculous approach for any marginalised or oppressed group and no way for society to be able to move forward - it is in no.way constructive and a waste of resources.

Lentilweaver · 05/07/2023 09:46

Its entirely relevant. I love my husband and 2 sons dearly. They are, without a shadow of doubt, the most important things to me in the world. Many of us on this thread are the same I'm sure. I can see male dominance as the negative force it is, and still love men.

I mean, of course you can. I didn't think that was the point of the OP, though. And of course there is a huge spectrum of behaviour.

FirstTimeNameChanger · 05/07/2023 09:44

Lentilweaver · 05/07/2023 08:39

Those of you with these profoundly negative view of men - what do you think of your husbands, fathers and sons?

Irrelevant. As I said earlier, individual nice men does not take away from population level male violence. Lots of nice men about. They can't really help Afghan women, can they?

Its entirely relevant. I love my husband and 2 sons dearly. They are, without a shadow of doubt, the most important things to me in the world. Many of us on this thread are the same I'm sure. I can see male dominance as the negative force it is, and still love men.

The men I love in my life are, obviously, not Taliban or rapists. Are they guilty of being a little bit more entitled and a little bit lazier than I am? Maybe. I am guilty of scurrying around a little bit because it's easier? Maybe.

There is a huge spectrum of behaviours between slightly entitled laziness and Taliban. And in between that are lots of women doing lots of things to make life easier, and some of those things are detrimental to the cause, and we do them anyway because we love the men in our lives. So it is relevant that we have individual nice men in our lives. Without that we might have had a revolution by now

Abhannmor · 05/07/2023 09:37

Elephantsdontlikechocolate · 04/07/2023 22:26

Of course women are superior since only women can have children

Is that what Plato meant when he says ' once you admit that a woman is your equal , you have already accepted that she is your superior' ?

  • might some other Ancient Greek
Lentilweaver · 05/07/2023 09:32

Abhannmor · 05/07/2023 09:27

So women are telling the unvarnished truth about men in general being useless/ pervy/ violent morons. But they are living in a state of false consciousness with regard to their nearest and dearest.

Or : NAMALT and they've got lucky and got the exception.
It all seems a bit unsatisfactory. And anecdotal. I suppose this is a hard area to get reliable statistics?

There are stats to be found. https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/violence-against-women Doesn't make for cheery reading. These are only the reported ones, mind you, so just tip of the iceberg.

Violence against women

WHO fact sheet on violence against women providing key facts and information on the scope of the problem, health consequences, prevention, WHO response.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/violence-against-women

Abhannmor · 05/07/2023 09:27

whodawhodaeho · 05/07/2023 08:47

'Those of you with these profoundly negative view of men - what do you think of your husbands, fathers and sons?'

My dad is a great guy, not particularly sexist but of his generation so still is a little despite having 2 daughters. Like many men he views his daughters, wife mum differently to most women, and wouldn't judge us in the same way.
But he's unusually sensitive, supportive of women, has never been violent towards anyone, isn't aggressive.

BUT what's that got to do with the fact that MANY men are violent, abusive and misogynistic? Don't makes excuses for then under the guise of 'not all men.'

So women are telling the unvarnished truth about men in general being useless/ pervy/ violent morons. But they are living in a state of false consciousness with regard to their nearest and dearest.

Or : NAMALT and they've got lucky and got the exception.
It all seems a bit unsatisfactory. And anecdotal. I suppose this is a hard area to get reliable statistics?

TrishM80 · 05/07/2023 09:22

Elephantsdontlikechocolate · 05/07/2023 07:29

Absolutely they would have produced more and better inventions given the same the opportunity as enjoyed by men.

Oh yeah, I'm sure with women's superior intellect and creativity, we'd all be flying around in miniature spacecraft like the Jetsons, and women would have invented human teleportartion like Star Trek by now, if it wasn't for being held back by the menz......🙄

Utter nonsense.

yojojomomo · 05/07/2023 09:05

Whoah! There's a whole lot of generalisations there in your post about men and women's traits.

Firstly, not sure what one man sniffing on a train has got do with equality...

Secondly, you get good and bad eggs in both sexes. My BIL has married the biggest cunt on the planet, she doesn't work, she lives off his money, she orders him around and treats him, his family and her friends like shit. She's toxic. My main issue isn't with her being an absolute narcissistic twat though it's with him tolerating her, he doesn't have to put up with her crap but he does, so he can lie in his bed!

I despise sexism and I'm being discriminated at work and currently doing a formal grievance/legal on it. I've been sexually assaulted and harassed by men throughout my life. I think the biggest issue lies with the older generation of men who came from a different time and unconscious bias that is prevalent in companies. I have hope that the next generation have more respect for women and understanding of the issues we have to face.

Unfortunately, backward countries that have ridiculous ideologies are never going to change. The best thing that could happen would be to eradicate those men!

Lentilweaver · 05/07/2023 09:03

Anecdotes are not data.

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