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My dad's wedding, oversensitive or right to be upset?

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BreathingDeep · 13/06/2023 17:47

My dad and I have always had a less-than-straightforward relationship - he left when I was a baby, and while he's always been in my life, it's always been at a distance. Being a father has never been a priority for him (I'm his only child) and this hasn't changed as I've grown up, though I don't doubt he loves me in his own way.

He's had a lot of relationships, and his now partner had a young son when they first got involved. My dad embraced his role as a father figure and I don't mind admitting I've found this hard at times.

We had a very open, honest conversation a couple of years ago where we both voiced how we felt - how we both wished we were closer and he admitted he'd not been much of a father and he felt terrible about it. I told him how I'd felt too, there were a lot of tears and it felt monumental. Since then, we've both made more effort and things do feel easier and I felt that we were much closer.

Cut to now - he and his partner are going on holiday later this year, with her son (who is now an adult) and his girlfriend. While they're there, they've decided to get married. As soon as they decided it would become their wedding, my dad's partner invited their best friends to go too. It wasn't mentioned to us.

DH and I have chatted and said that as my dad and I are feeling much closer, it would be lovely to be there, so I asked them if they could share where it was and we could see if we could save up to come and celebrate with them. However, I've just been told it's a couples only venue so it's a no go.

It was also let slip that they're paying for the son and girlfriend to go with them.

I know I shouldn't but I just feel so hurt again. It's nothing new - it's a continuation of a pattern, but it really does feel like a kick in the stomach. I need to harden up so things like this don't affect me, but it's not that easy.

AIBU and actually, it's their day and they can do what they like with who they like?
Or,
AINBU to feel hurt and that I'm clearly unimportant to him/them?

OP posts:
Implosion · 10/02/2024 15:43

Honestly, some people won't ever change, and I think you've done so well and are now at a point where you can mentally set free from the drama, anguish and guilt. These people also always need to have the last word, to feel justified. I think him sharing everything with your aunt shows this.

Keep talking on here, try and see if you can see a counsellor and take deep breaths of freedom. Save what @honeybeetheoneandonly wrote just in case they get in contact again.

ollypollymolly · 10/02/2024 15:03

Hugs ! Agree with the above posters, have some counselling to talk about it.

sadly they are not going to have lightbulb moment, no one wants to admit they have been a massive dick so they won’t.

leave it a month then see how you feel. There is no hurry

be kind to yourself !

ScribblingPixie · 10/02/2024 14:57

OP, you just have to give yourself time. I think, a SHORT reply along the lines of Crisette's suggestion - non emotional and matter of fact - is absolutely the most you should send back, and then block them knowing that you won't hear from them again. This will start fade away as time goes on. You are not going to change them or their opinions so don't hope for that or for other relatives to get involved. You just have to move on mentally and emotionally so that they don't matter so much to you. I agree that counselling during this time is a good idea. And I'd look for something new in life to signal a new chapter of your life - travel, pet, job, study, whatever feels right.

Throckmorton · 10/02/2024 14:53

I haven't got any useful advice to give, but I just wanted to give you a big unmumsnetty hug. What utter bastards they are, and how lovely you must be that after all this, you still care about what these bastards think of you. You shouldn't care - they don't deserve it - but it says a very great deal about how great a person you are that you do care. Channel that care into caring for yourself, be that a day out with your lovely family, a whole tub of ice cream, looking up counselling, etc.

Boulshired · 10/02/2024 14:47

You’re not going to ever get the response you want. At most you’ll get an “I’m sorry that you’re upset but”. Any more correspondence will just continue and you’ll either accept him as he is or remove yourself. Her email is not and never will be facts, the email and phone call are a good thing as they are showing you who they are. Just ignore unless you can see a path forward, if you can it has to be a path where you are not a priority as he’s not going to change. This is the hard part but you are strong.

honeybeetheoneandonly · 10/02/2024 12:47

I wouldn't address it point for point. I would just email back, if you must, saying something along the lines of: "I understand why it's easier to lash out at me rather than to reflect on the truth of your behaviour towards your own daughter. Your/X response has made it very clear why it is absolutely the correct decision to step away from you now. It doesn't matter what you tell others you know everything I wrote was true. In any case, let me grief and live my life in peace now, as I will let you live yours. X BreathingDeep"

Theluggagerules · 10/02/2024 12:44

@BreathingDeep I'm so sorry your dad is such a useless father. Please remind yourself that all of that is on him. I was in the situation of the stepson and I can assure you it isn't always as cosy as it seems from the outside. In our case, we only spent time with them really because of our mum. We have always felt bad about how we were treated as opposed to their actual children, but then our mum was lovely although had bad taste in men.
Anyway you sound amazing and the people who actually know you will totally know that and any that he tries to tell different.. if they believe it they are as bad as him.

Morwenscapacioussleeves · 10/02/2024 12:43

I understand the desire to respond to "put the record straight" 💐

Have you tried writing it all down, everything you want to say/respond & then ripping it up into tiny bits or burning it to ash? It's weirdly releasing (I favour the burning myself)

Take comfort in your lovely family (& if I knew you IRL I would be happy to keep listening to you, don't assume your friends won't)

Americano75 · 10/02/2024 12:02

BonjourCrisette · 10/02/2024 10:57

If you feel the need to respond so that you have not let the lies stand unchallenged, you could just say something like 'I don't recognise any of this and don't believe it to be true. Please don't contact me again in any way.'

You should block them both in every way possible after that, though, because they will absolutely take it as carte blanche to carry on attacking you. I think counselling sounds like a very good idea.

I like this, or bullet points addressing every one of their bullshit accusations. Then block.

BonjourCrisette · 10/02/2024 10:57

If you feel the need to respond so that you have not let the lies stand unchallenged, you could just say something like 'I don't recognise any of this and don't believe it to be true. Please don't contact me again in any way.'

You should block them both in every way possible after that, though, because they will absolutely take it as carte blanche to carry on attacking you. I think counselling sounds like a very good idea.

rainbowstardrops · 10/02/2024 10:23

He had the cheek to criticise your parenting? That's a bit rich! I agree that counselling might help because you've got years of pain to unpick. Take care Flowers

PaterPower · 10/02/2024 10:16

I get the need to set the record straight / leave him in no doubt. But emailing him won’t change anything. For you, or him, unfortunately.

Better for your longer term mental health to try and put this behind you now. With counselling, if you think that will help you do so.

Candleabra · 10/02/2024 10:01

It’s a sad fact but most people want a quiet life and don’t challenge bad behaviour. Unfortunately, you’ll have to accept that people you thought were allies will not call out your dad. And may even stop speaking to you. It’s not fair but that’s how it is.

There will be no “lightbulb “ moment for your father; sending more messages will be fuel to the fire and will add to his sense of self righteousness. People like that have no self awareness or introspection, particularly when they have supporters to back up their viewpoint.

All you can do is rest easy in the knowledge that you’ve done the right thing for you. You don’t need other people’s validation for your decisions.

Newgirls · 10/02/2024 09:57

can you organise counselling? This is clearly troubling you, and understandably so.

he was trying to make your aunt a flying monkey.

he is meant to be the parent in all this and is acting dreadfully. He doesn’t have the emotional skills to sort this out and it won’t magically improve unless he himself gets counselling. Honestly the advice in these situations is NOT to engage further. If he emails you personally to say he is getting family therapy etc then respond but otherwise it won’t go well.

BreathingDeep · 10/02/2024 09:46

It's been a week or two of high emotion and I feel emotionally drained. Part of me is relieved that it's done and dusted, then part of me feels devastated by his opinion of me courtesy of her email, and then I also feel guilty that I've caused him to hurt. Old habits, I guess...

Since the email, there has been no contact. I know what he's like and he'll have been gathering opinion to 'prove' he was right. There is very little family on this side, so he called his sister. They're not close; she is about simple pleasures and stayed in her home town while he set off for the bright city lights and didn't look back, so views her with pity. She grew up idolising him but he tends to be dismissive of her and treats with her distain so as a result, they rarely speak. She and I however are close - she knows how upset I've been over the years, including the wedding.

It seems he called her and ranted for a while about all kinds, including criticising my parenting, all while trying to discredit the things I'd said. He forwarded her the text I'd sent him AND the vile email his wife sent so he clearly saw nothing wrong with it.

My aunt is lovely, very sweet and soft and she's not good with conflict or confrontation, so she didn't challenge him which is disappointing but I understand it, which is why I didn't want to involve her. She's had years of hurt at his lack of care for their mum when she was alive, so she understands it all too well.

So I'm left now with all kinds of feelings that have nowhere to go. A few people close to me know what's happened and while they've been great, of course for them life has moved on and I don't want keep harping on about it but I feel I have so much to process still. Hence being here - sorry!

While my initial reaction was not to reply to his wife's email, there is part of me that is burning with the injustice of all the things she threw at me as most of them were either wrong or misconstrued. I hate that these accusations and 'facts' are now controlling the narrative and because I've not challenged their version of events, am I allowing her words to be facts?

She doesn't deserve a response but I did wonder about emailing my dad direct, just so I know I've had put the record straight and feel like I've stated my case and cleared my name, so to speak. Then I ask myself why it matters as it doesn't change the facts or the reason why I felt I had to stop contact. And her response speaks volumes about the type of people they are and I shouldn't care about what they think.

I feel lost and a little untethered, and I'll be honest, this thread has been a lifeline, thank you all for your kindness and patience and support.

OP posts:
Ktime · 08/02/2024 18:34

I won't be replying - I refuse to go that low.

I think this is the right decision. The lack of a response to her vitriol will enrage them even more.

Please don't be taken in by any token gestures he may make in the future such as a birthday acknowledgement.

Any gesture he makes will be rooted entirely in absolving his guilt by getting a positive response from you, however brief.

Please also tell your children about this so he doesn't try to use them as a proxy for you.

MzHz · 08/02/2024 18:18

You clearly hit a nerve there @BreathingDeep

think about it though, no reply would be worse, you’d second guess it forever and wonder if you got it wrong somehow, there would never be closure.

youve said what you needed to say, you thought long and hard and carefully about it, you were honest with yourself and with your dad.

you don’t need to send a reply, there’s literally no point. If you wanted to really irk her you could send a 👍🏼 and be done, close your door with a click.

You’re done, your out.

counselling could really help you if you can access it? It really helped me come to terms with my family fall out.

i remember when my sister (guilty of pulling off some ice cold stunts to hurt me in the past) emailed me to guilt me into something. I struggled a lot with that email, but then reminded myself that to expect her to be anything other than hurtful was unrealistic and to turn the page and try to put it behind me. I was in therapy at the time and it helped to talk it through

Flippingnora100 · 08/02/2024 16:02

When people react so defensively, without trying to see or consider your point of view or empathize with you at all, that kind of tells you everything you need to know about them and basically proves that you were right to have distanced yourself for your own self-preservation. That's how I would see her response - her showing you who she is and who he is, because either he allowed her to send her response or he was aware that she had sent it and didn't reach out to correct her 'wrongs.' Either way, it just re-confirms everything you thoughtfully wrote to him about how you experience him as a father. Move on and enjoy the lovely family that you have created.

xXiXx · 02/02/2024 20:02

BreathingDeep · 02/02/2024 09:16

Thanks to you all. I'm a little shellshocked, but also not hurt - I don't value her opinion and it was interesting to see what she chose to use as defence.

I won't be replying - I refuse to go that low. My message to him was carefully worded, calm and considered and explained why I needed to step back. I stand by it, and I don't need to defend myself against her vicious words and nonsensical comparisons.

In a way it's quite freeing as this stops this being just my decision, if that makes sense? While I may have tackled the elephant in the room, she's just thrown a grenade in there and now there is no room, and that's on her. I just need to quietly process and then move forwards knowing I don't have to deal with either of them, and the way I've been feeling, any more.

This makes so much sense.

When I tried (but failed) to get through to my mother, she said some things that were so defensive and so unjust that I felt the pain of that knife TWISTING but ............. it helped crumble my denial. It was better than carrying around denial for another few decades. Although boy she has hurt me.

Projectme · 02/02/2024 17:09

The irony of his relationship with her son being 'none of your business' when here she is sticking her huge beak into your relationship with your Dad is pretty staggering! She sounds delightful!

Good point @StaunchMomma

StaunchMomma · 02/02/2024 17:00

Christ, what a bitch BUT I have to say I'm not surprised.

I think I'd have to send one more message, OP. One that made it very clear your Dad has always been shit, that you see the projection for exactly what it is and that your only regret is trying to forge a relationship with him for so long. I'd then tell her to never contact you or your family members again and block the lot of them.

The irony of his relationship with her son being 'none of your business' when here she is sticking her huge beak into your relationship with your Dad is pretty staggering! She sounds delightful!

In a way, it's good that this has happened. A part of you would always have been waiting for something to happen. Now it's really over.

Oriunda · 02/02/2024 16:50

Block them both now, and either delete or archive any WhatsApp chats. I went NC with my mother after one spectacularly unpleasant message that was the last straw. To save me the anxiety of receiving messages, or wondering if she was going to message me, I blocked her. Out of sight, out of mind. I feel so much more better mentally for it.

zingally · 02/02/2024 16:38

All he's doing is showing that underneath all the tearful "I'm sorry I'm been shit" conversations, he hasn't really changed. And, most importantly, he has no interest in changing.

I'm afraid I don't have any wise advice, but here's lots of sympathy.

Newgirls · 02/02/2024 16:14

Marchintospring · 02/02/2024 10:46

Op that’s his wife. It’s her truth that your behaviour has hurt her husband.
I think what you can take from it is that what you said did hurt him which I guess is the reaction you wanted.

I’ve read all your posts and to me it still sounds like your feelings are still the resentments of that child you were. Of course your dad isn’t going to pay for you to come to his small last minute wedding. You are an adult with your own husband, family and money. Of course they would pay for the much younger son who was part of their household since a baby.
I do understand why you are hurt but you weren’t raised by your father and the relationship is bound to reflect that. You aren’t close to his wife or step brother and clearly the wedding after all these years is a formality rather than a momentous day.

I think you are protecting yourself by laying it all at his door. But whether that will resolve things long term is debatable. You lost your dad many years ago and there’s no changing that. The man now is just family and your children's grandad. That’s all. Forgiveness frees you Op.

I know what your trying to say - but a good person would have had a ceremony that included all his loved ones. And gone on holiday after. He had choices. And he made choices that hurt people.

Newgirls · 02/02/2024 16:12

Some very wise posts here. Sounds like new wife is very uncomfortable with this view of her husband and it’s easier to lash out at you than face that he isn’t the perfect dad figure she wants to believe.

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