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Another dog attack

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Unsure33 · 07/06/2023 19:04

There is a horrific video on twitter of a young woman being attacked in east London by three dogs

owner in hoodie , pit bull types .

I am a dog owner but also have ended up in hospital after a dog attack and it made me feel sick

honestly I think we need dog licences , dog wardens and more accountability because the current laws don’t seem to be deterring people letting dogs off their leads and having no control . If it prices some owners out I am sorry tough luck . Dogs are expensive and there needs to be some more incentive to keep them under control .

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ginghamstarfish · 07/06/2023 20:03

I hate dogs, and am constantly amazed that week in week out we hear of people being attacked or killed by the manky things, but nothing ever happens. If it was any other kind of animal doing this people would be up in arms. And ANY dog can bite or attack in certain circumstances, although most dog owners think that of course theirs wouldn't, just as they think they have perfect recall so can let them run around loose. It's a tiny minority who can actually be arsed to put in the time to achieve any sort of training.

Wolfiefan · 07/06/2023 20:03

Good dangerous??
Banning breeds doesn’t work. We have banned several. More dog attacks. It isn’t the answer.

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BelindaBears · 07/06/2023 20:03

Elevel · 07/06/2023 19:24

I think it's the same poster under a name change. I have also noticed a spate of these threads in AIBU, when there's no "AIBU?" involved. The amount of irresponsible owners is awful, but I don't understand the need to point out every attack when the news is there for everyone to watch/read. Or at least put it in Chat.

The reason there are so many threads is because there are so many attacks at the moment.

I’d like to see a zero tolerance approach to it. Your dog attacks anyone, it is euthanised immediately and you get a hefty fine too. I’d happily include the yappy little bastards in that as well as the “gentle giants” who always seem to be the ones who rip people’s fucking throats out despite what posters like to claim about the real dangers being cocker spaniels and daschunds.

Screamingabdabz · 07/06/2023 20:02

IsThereAnEchoInHere · 07/06/2023 19:20

Seriously, can’t MN make a special dog haters page, so the rest of us don’t have see these miserable, now multiple starts per day, threads.

What is your problem? Want to live in denial?

ThisSummerBetterBeDarnGood · 07/06/2023 20:01

Yes because pit bulls are good dangerous and are banned. These are dogs seem even worse.

SunnyEgg · 07/06/2023 20:00

Clearlynotmyname · 07/06/2023 19:56

What, a separate area for the 92% who agree?
OR how about this: the small number of idiots who value dogs more than humans should be confined to a separate area

These threads run and many post and same with comments in news

If people want to petition something else other than banning they can

It’s clear chat forum threads are not doing anything though.

And 92% so far are saying yanbu so the sentiment is there

Prescottdanni123 · 07/06/2023 20:00

@ThisSummerBetterBeDarnGood

So responsible, loving owners have their beloved pet dragged away and killed? It is not the dog that is the problem. It is the type of irresponsible owner who doesn't care for them properly and just uses them as a status symbol.

Saschka · 07/06/2023 19:59

IncompleteSenten · 07/06/2023 19:51

Oh god I'm going to be that person Blush we're not descended from apes, we share a common ancestor with them.
I can't believe I'm going to press post. I'm such a wanker. 🤣

Don’t worry, I was about to say the same thing!

SunnyEgg · 07/06/2023 19:57

ThursdayFreedom · 07/06/2023 19:56

@Elevel

me either!!

Banning doesn't work anyway, partly because they can't ID half the breeds & because they just come back with new breeds.

Years ago people wanted German Shepards banned. 🙄🙄

Banning and/or licensing does not work.

look at the Thugs that own out of control dogs, do you really think they're going to care about licensing/training??

nope you just punish responsible owners.

I’d love to see them banned. But if you don’t how would you fix it?

Prescottdanni123 · 07/06/2023 19:57

@Elevel Arghh! So sorry. It was @SunnyEgg I meant to tag. 🤦‍♀️

ThursdayFreedom · 07/06/2023 19:56

Elevel · 07/06/2023 19:25

I wouldn't sign anything trying to get Staffies banned.

@Elevel

me either!!

Banning doesn't work anyway, partly because they can't ID half the breeds & because they just come back with new breeds.

Years ago people wanted German Shepards banned. 🙄🙄

Banning and/or licensing does not work.

look at the Thugs that own out of control dogs, do you really think they're going to care about licensing/training??

nope you just punish responsible owners.

Unsure33 · 07/06/2023 19:56

bugaboo218 · 07/06/2023 19:52

I am a dog lover, but these pit bull/ XL bully type dogs need to banned and banned now!

All dog owners should have to undergo a stringent vetting process before being awarded a dog licence at their own expense (unless disabled /SN and having an assistance dog) and only receive their dog license if they are deemed competent by an examiner/ test.

The above may not stop all irresponsible dog owners and all dog attacks, but it could make people really think twice about getting and being responsible for a dog longer term.

Those owner’s who refuse to licence their dog should be criminalised and face a huge fine.

yes, draconian measures, but worth it if it helps stops dangerous out of control dogs with irresponsible owners attacking innocent people and other dogs.

So do you know of any current gov petitions ? I will have a look and see if anything being signed is similar .

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Clearlynotmyname · 07/06/2023 19:56

IsThereAnEchoInHere · 07/06/2023 19:20

Seriously, can’t MN make a special dog haters page, so the rest of us don’t have see these miserable, now multiple starts per day, threads.

What, a separate area for the 92% who agree?
OR how about this: the small number of idiots who value dogs more than humans should be confined to a separate area

tillytoodles1 · 07/06/2023 19:54

I've posted before about my brother's dog, a Cane Corso. She has been trained since she was a puppy and is very obedient and does as she's told without question.

Do the people who own these breeds have them fully trained and not allow them off the lead in public?

Unsure33 · 07/06/2023 19:52

ThisSummerBetterBeDarnGood · 07/06/2023 19:49

Op first xl bully need immediate banning and culling. Now.
2 laws to prosecute anyone's owning or trying to sell one.

  1. Teeth to it... Big drive from police and rspca.. Phone lines for anonymous reporting... Bag up to make it a pain and keep going for a long time.

So really not other dog owners paying , just more money ? But I am sure most people would think there are more important areas that need attention . But not if that had been another child today ) :

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bugaboo218 · 07/06/2023 19:52

I am a dog lover, but these pit bull/ XL bully type dogs need to banned and banned now!

All dog owners should have to undergo a stringent vetting process before being awarded a dog licence at their own expense (unless disabled /SN and having an assistance dog) and only receive their dog license if they are deemed competent by an examiner/ test.

The above may not stop all irresponsible dog owners and all dog attacks, but it could make people really think twice about getting and being responsible for a dog longer term.

Those owner’s who refuse to licence their dog should be criminalised and face a huge fine.

yes, draconian measures, but worth it if it helps stops dangerous out of control dogs with irresponsible owners attacking innocent people and other dogs.

Maverickess · 07/06/2023 19:52

Unsure33 · 07/06/2023 19:23

I am not a dog hater I am a dog lover , but these irresponsible owners are getting the rest of us a bad name something has to be done . Is that not what mumsnet is for to try and get things changed ? No licence dog taken , no insurance, dog taken , no chip dog taken .

No licence dog taken , no insurance, dog taken , no chip dog taken .

It's a good idea to reintroduce licences that require proof of a basic level of competency to own a dog - but - I fear it won't have much of an impact on the type of person who uses bully type dogs as an ego boost - because they're not bothered about the dog, they'll get a fine but probably be paying it at a £1 a week, and will just go out and get another one from a backstreet breeder and start again. And banning them will just make them all the more attractive because they'll increase their status symbolism.
It's not essentially the dogs that are the issue, rather what they represent and that's what needs tackling really.
I'm not saying there's no point doing it, not that they shouldn't be banned because I think they should, but I don't think it'd address the root of the issue which is a certain type of person, not a dog.

IncompleteSenten · 07/06/2023 19:51

Elevel · 07/06/2023 19:49

All humans are descended from apes... 🤷‍♀️ We all have ancestors.

Oh god I'm going to be that person Blush we're not descended from apes, we share a common ancestor with them.
I can't believe I'm going to press post. I'm such a wanker. 🤣

Floraflower3 · 07/06/2023 19:50

The poor woman. I’ve never seen a dog attack before and that was shocking. Especially when it was trying to shake her. These big powerful breeds need to be banned.

Unsure33 · 07/06/2023 19:50

AMonthOfSundaes · 07/06/2023 19:48

These dogs are bred by criminals in order to launder drug and gun money, in conditions that lead to physical and mental instability. They are often mutilated, neglected, passed from pillar to post until they land up coming across someone innocent who bears the brunt of their malformed lives. If they don't, they are then bred by someone stupid and their offspring are equally unstable.

If we're going to have the police do anything to reduce this problem, I'd have them get the resources to tackle the problem at source: known criminals should not be able to do this to start with. They'd be found, prosecuted, incarcerated in such a way they do not have access to (illegal) mobile phones to organise their puppy breeding 'enterprise' from inside prison. Hundreds (thousands) of poorly bred, abused puppies released into wider society every year. Poor genetics. Poor socialisation. No chance.

I wonder what the police themselves think could be done ?

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Elevel · 07/06/2023 19:49

ThisSummerBetterBeDarnGood · 07/06/2023 19:47

All dogs are descend from wolves.

All humans are descended from apes... 🤷‍♀️ We all have ancestors.

ThisSummerBetterBeDarnGood · 07/06/2023 19:49

Op first xl bully need immediate banning and culling. Now.
2 laws to prosecute anyone's owning or trying to sell one.

  1. Teeth to it... Big drive from police and rspca.. Phone lines for anonymous reporting... Bag up to make it a pain and keep going for a long time.
Unsure33 · 07/06/2023 19:49

Wolfiefan · 07/06/2023 19:46

@Unsure33 the law already says dogs must be chipped. They must be under control in public. If a person feels they could be injured by a dog then it’s deemed dangerous and can be taken.
The law is there. But it isn’t working.
@ThisSummerBetterBeDarnGood dogs aren’t wolves.

Yes I know . That’s what I am saying . If the law is not working what else can be done ? I don’t know the answers . I bet those dogs today may not have been chipped . I could be wrong but …….

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AMonthOfSundaes · 07/06/2023 19:48

These dogs are bred by criminals in order to launder drug and gun money, in conditions that lead to physical and mental instability. They are often mutilated, neglected, passed from pillar to post until they land up coming across someone innocent who bears the brunt of their malformed lives. If they don't, they are then bred by someone stupid and their offspring are equally unstable.

If we're going to have the police do anything to reduce this problem, I'd have them get the resources to tackle the problem at source: known criminals should not be able to do this to start with. They'd be found, prosecuted, incarcerated in such a way they do not have access to (illegal) mobile phones to organise their puppy breeding 'enterprise' from inside prison. Hundreds (thousands) of poorly bred, abused puppies released into wider society every year. Poor genetics. Poor socialisation. No chance.