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Stickytofpud · 07/06/2023 00:25

New here so please bear with me. I came to search confirmation that I am not completely mad for what I have done/seek unbiased opinion. Apologies for long post, I felt that context and reasonable detail was needed so that people can inform their view.

I have two young kids with my partner, and his two older kids from previous marriage stay with us for half a week. The marriage broke down due to partner's ex wife's infidelity; she went on to marry the man she cheated on my partner with, no further kids born in that relationship.
When I moved in with my partner, I sort of 'jumped onto the running train' of established routine of my partner's ex featuring heavily in his life through constant messaging, but also physical presence, dropping off the kids and inviting herself in and ordering my partner to make her a cup of tea, dropping in to get stuff while we were not in the house, that kind of stuff. The infidelity and divorce upset my partner, but he's a man who's able to forgive so over time their relationship has become reasonably amicable and allowing for the above, but definitely not romantic (from his side anyway). As a newcomer, I was putting up with all that, though knew that this level of intrusion and presence from his ex was definitely not normal. To maintain the peace I tolerated the situation. Me and her would get on ok, and I get on well with the kids; she said numerous times how lucky her kids are to have me in their lives.

Me and my partner then had our first child who she would see when dropping off or collecting the kids, she would take the child in her arms etc etc. Some time after we had our child, things started to change for me, particularly after some information reached me related to her current husband (relationship not going too well) and our child (her having a bit of an obsession with the child, like the child was hers).

I have then suggested to my partner that it was time to put some boundaries in place as there should be, and put a bit more distance between her and us. This was supported by my partner, though he wasn't overly keen to introduce all these changes as he did not want to 'rock the boat'. The boundaries mostly revolved around her presence in our place (no longer invited in, kids being dropped off/collected by their dad from her place). Nothing, I believe, that should be a problem for a former partner to respect and accept as their ex partner has moved on and started a family with someone else. The boundaries also include as little contact of my children with her as possible; she's of no relation to them, other than being a mother of their siblings.

It's been about a year now since the boundaries have been introduced and it didn't go down well with her, and it is actually getting worse. I have been name called by her, all of a sudden it's not kids are lucky to have me in their life but poor kids to have to endure me while staying with their dad.. the latest being that if I don't want her to be involved in my kids' lives then she doesn't want me to be involved in her kids' lives either.... completely ignoring the fact that she's comparing apples with pears; her kids are part of our household and my life for half a week each week, whereas my kids have nothing to do with her.

It's wearing, it's frustrating, it's upsetting and I don't know where it will end. It's also putting a strain onto my relationship with my partner as he is caught in the middle of it. It's all been fine for as long as it was on her terms. When the terms changed, I have been made the bad one, for asking nothing more than to be given space and peace for our family life.

For those who managed to read until the end, I would appreciate your views, AIBU?

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Hellenabe · 07/06/2023 11:06

Its interesting to read these different dynamics.

I get on with my ex despite our horrible past - he was abusive. He has a long term partner. Im glad she is good to the children when they are all together but i have never met her or his previous ex. With his previous ex, i was a stepmother to his children so they stayed here regularly, i was good to them etc but i never pretended to be anything more than dad's partner. We still get on well now.

With my ex's current gf of several years, they have no children so no need for me to meet her or for her to ever come to my home. I cant ever imagine us one big happy family dynamic so i would definitely be setting boundaries like the OP has said.

My friends and family always say how great it works for myself and my ex because everyone we know has a more contentious relationship. But i think OP is right, the ex is overstepping.

Intriguedbythis · 07/06/2023 11:06

Also, as a step mother you do actually have real duties to your step children. You did them a great disservice by making their mother go from having a friendly cuppa and fuss of your kids ( their siblings !) to being banished outside…

I would imagine your partner must be pretty disappointed that you went from a healthy co parenting situation to this mess borne by insecurity / being bored of playing along as a willing step mum now you had your ‘real kids’.

BlossomOfOrange · 07/06/2023 11:06

I wonder if to you she feels like a threat to your relationship with your children? I can understand you feeling that way based on what you have described but unless she’s a bad influence on your kids in some way, if you can ride it out you will see that nothing will compare with your relationship with your kids, and to have more people who think your kids are great, and make them feel loved, is only a good thing.

If she’s fairly decent, may be have a chat with her, to find a way that works for all of you. Might take a while now as you’re both feeling bruised but you’ll know each other for a v long time so worth persisting?

Marlowqueen · 07/06/2023 11:05

I think you’re being very unreasonable and short sighted. This woman will never really be gone from your life. She is the mother of your partner’s children. There will always be contact, whether it be weddings, family events etc, even when those children are adults. It sounds like you stepped into what was fairly friendly and amicable (after post split animosity) and have turned it on its head. I’m not surprised you feel like the bad one. You should be glad that she’s nice to your child. Would you rather she was resentful and nasty towards it. Speaking from experience being friendly with her will make your life a lot easier in the long run. Is it really such a big deal to let her in the house and make her a brew when the children are dropped off, and let her have a cuddle with your child. You are making a rod for your back that will impact things long term.

Intriguedbythis · 07/06/2023 11:02

I’m so confused why you don’t like her giving your kids a kiss and a cuddle? I actually think that’s nice and healthier for your partner’s other children…

You sound jealous and don’t understand why, as a jealous person, you would enter into a relationship with a man who already has kids.. you must have known you would need to have his ex somewhat present for the sake of his kids..
much healthier to get on and not make her drop off her kids like a postie..

Tekkentime · 07/06/2023 11:01

Olive19741205 · 07/06/2023 10:57

dropping in to get stuff while we were not in the house

All the people pretending that they'd be ok with this 😂. Yeah right, of course you would. Why on earth does she have a key to your house?

I know! Who would actually tolerate this in real life?😂

Ourladycheesusedatum · 07/06/2023 11:00

Stickytofpud · 07/06/2023 01:12

I am sorry that i have come across as hideous. There's seeing my children and there's cuddling and kissing my children. Would you be happy with that for your children?

So long as it was appropriate. Yeah, I'd have been over the moon that someone else gave a shit of some kind about my children.
I'm assured step parenting can be a minefield, but this seems like cutting off your nose.

Olive19741205 · 07/06/2023 10:57

dropping in to get stuff while we were not in the house

All the people pretending that they'd be ok with this 😂. Yeah right, of course you would. Why on earth does she have a key to your house?

Spacecadet123 · 07/06/2023 10:57

Honestly... absolutely NOT being unreasonable at all! I'm in a similar situation, and some of my friends are too.. seems to be the norm now. And there is NO way i would allow my partners Ex to come into my house and be so pushy/ forceful. She is far too familiar! I'd be telling her straight, why confuse kids. No harm in drop offs, and communication, there is no need to be nasty with each other, but there is also boundaries! Why should she have what she wants, and you have to lump it? you take care of her children!

Some people have that set up and its all good from all parties, but you arent happy with that ( neither would i ) and thats OK too... not everything works for everyone. so continue your stance!

She has no reason to compare her kids ( who DO seem very lucky to have you ) with your child?! It makes sense though if her relationship is rocky...and you and your partner are happy.

One thing I suggest is that you ensure it does not affect your relationship with your partner, over her. Boundaries are normal! and its NOT worth it.

I cannot stand when people suggest you are jealous... being a step parent is the most selfless act ever. Of course you wish to be a whole unit, but that's not the norm nowadays. its 2023... blended families rock.

I would speak to your partner and explain your upset, and that its not the children you have a problem with... its the parent! something that a lot get confused with.

Enjoy your time with your children, and enjoy your time with your step children. together and separate, time with them and showing them you include them and they are heard are all they want. 😍

jays · 07/06/2023 10:54

Stickytofpud · 07/06/2023 01:12

I am sorry that i have come across as hideous. There's seeing my children and there's cuddling and kissing my children. Would you be happy with that for your children?

Yes!

Lachimolala · 07/06/2023 10:54

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I mean reading the whole thread will show you that there been many an opinion given, mostly given in a very normal way. There’s a few skirting the line.

It’s not an attack to give an opinion that you might not agree with. You seem to think that it is however?

And frankly your attacks on people are really beyond the pale, you really do need to rein it in. Most of the people you’ve spewed vitriol to aren’t actually ‘bitter first wives’ they’ve come back and said actually they’re step-parents themselves. You’re being the height of miserable, poisonous and counterproductive yourself.

beachcitygirl · 07/06/2023 10:53

I would pay good money to hear the other side of this story.

FrenchieF · 07/06/2023 10:46

you live with her kids half the week but she’s not allowed in your ( her kids 2nd home ) because you don’t want her to see your child ( her children’s) sibling. I think that’s being verY unreasonable especially as it was fine for you all tho mix previously. It’s not fair on the children or their mum and dad.

Wheresthebeach · 07/06/2023 10:45

Yousee · 07/06/2023 10:29

Let's refresh what OP actually said ex wife was doing that she and her DH decided to push back on.
constant messaging
Unnecessary and intrusive. Standard advice is to get a phone purely for Comms with ex to maintain boundaries.
inviting herself in
Unnecessary and intrusive, not to mention rude. Imagine a MIL was doing this - the advice would not be just to accept to keep the peace.
ordering my partner to make her a cup of tea
Sorry what now? I don't even "order" my own husband to make me a cup of tea. I might chance my arm and ask him to stick the kettle on while he's in the kitchen but I don't miss him around, nor would I consider it a "healthy" relationship if I did.
Dropping in to get stuff while we were not in the house
Completely outrageous behaviour on every level. This should never have been allowed from the very start. Again, imagine telling a wife she must tolerate her MIL doing this "for the sake of the poor kids". It wouldn't happen.
And now this batshit woman has been told to back the fuck off, OP is the bad one and ex is deliberately poisoning things for her own children instead of gracefully accepting that another womans home and husband are no longer her domain?
And so many posters think this is acceptable?
What the fuck.

Yep - this absolutely.

OP - I had similar. DH's ex decided it was appropriate for my DD to go and spend time with her and her husband and my step kids. Sunday dinner etc. To be 'equal'. We had years of verbal abuse about DD's existence, messing with contact, etc and then it switched to 'we have to be one happy family'.

It's exhausting. Keep your boundaries, be a good step mum and do your best to ignore the fuss she makes. Its hard, but if you give in she'll be running rings around you otherwise. To DH's family if they repeated anything I ended up saying 'that's shame she feel that way', but didn't engage further. In the end, it settled down (although my stress levels go wild if I have to see her at a family event as I know there will be an approach and new plan for me to deal with).

Nordicrain · 07/06/2023 10:43

Tiddlypomtiddlypom · 07/06/2023 10:22

I have been name called by her, all of a sudden it's not kids are lucky to have me in their life but poor kids to have to endure me while staying with their dad.

Written by the OP in one of just three posts. Surely you saw it?

Also, the line about saying that if the OP wouldn’t allow the ex to be involved with her children, then the ex didn’t want the OP being involved with the step children. It’s madness that some people cannot or will not see the difference there. The OP’s children have nothing to do with her. The OP helps parent the step kids half of the week. The ex is simply throwing her weight around and inserting herself into her ex (that she cheated on) ‘s new family, because she feels entitled to do so. And because I rather suspect she is naturally more assertive (bolshy) than the OP is.

It’s high time the really odd and unhealthy dynamic was stopped. And the fact that the ex turned abusive as soon as they asserted boundaries, does nothing but prove that to be true.

But this happened after OP banned her from the house, completely took apart the friendly coparenting relationship that otherwise existed and everyone seemed happy with. All because OP thought the ex was going to come for her husband and child. Of course the ex is going to be angry.

There was no abuse before, which you said was what justified the boundaries?

Yousee · 07/06/2023 10:43

tennesseewhiskey1 · 07/06/2023 10:38

Sorry OP - YABU. You jumped on the train - you need to adapt. I dont get the whole 'dont look at my child' thing either - bizarre.

Equally, he moved on and now has a new wife and family so maybe his ex needs to adapt to the new reality?
Honestly, does anyone's life carry on exactly the same way when they are married as it did when they were single, or do relationships with other people (particularly ex's) change?
If he expected to carry on placing his ex at the top of his priority list then he had no business marrying again.

Notanothermoan · 07/06/2023 10:40

You are definitely not being unreasonable!!
I am not the step parent, my partner is, if my ex was to come in for a cup of tea when picking up DD that would be fine, although he chooses to stay at the door, but if he were to obsess over our baby and want to kiss, cuddle and be involved in his life I think my DP would feel the exact same as you, as would I and put something in place to stop this. My partner and I are very friendly with my ex and his partner however on both sides there are boundaries put in place automatically because it’s normal, healthy for our DD and makes everything run smoothly so that everyone is happy. You are not happy with the way the EW is behaving and rightly so something should change, she sounds like a bit of a nightmare actually, I feel for you OP.

tennesseewhiskey1 · 07/06/2023 10:38

Sorry OP - YABU. You jumped on the train - you need to adapt. I dont get the whole 'dont look at my child' thing either - bizarre.

Bellaboo01 · 07/06/2023 10:36

Stickytofpud · 07/06/2023 00:25

New here so please bear with me. I came to search confirmation that I am not completely mad for what I have done/seek unbiased opinion. Apologies for long post, I felt that context and reasonable detail was needed so that people can inform their view.

I have two young kids with my partner, and his two older kids from previous marriage stay with us for half a week. The marriage broke down due to partner's ex wife's infidelity; she went on to marry the man she cheated on my partner with, no further kids born in that relationship.
When I moved in with my partner, I sort of 'jumped onto the running train' of established routine of my partner's ex featuring heavily in his life through constant messaging, but also physical presence, dropping off the kids and inviting herself in and ordering my partner to make her a cup of tea, dropping in to get stuff while we were not in the house, that kind of stuff. The infidelity and divorce upset my partner, but he's a man who's able to forgive so over time their relationship has become reasonably amicable and allowing for the above, but definitely not romantic (from his side anyway). As a newcomer, I was putting up with all that, though knew that this level of intrusion and presence from his ex was definitely not normal. To maintain the peace I tolerated the situation. Me and her would get on ok, and I get on well with the kids; she said numerous times how lucky her kids are to have me in their lives.

Me and my partner then had our first child who she would see when dropping off or collecting the kids, she would take the child in her arms etc etc. Some time after we had our child, things started to change for me, particularly after some information reached me related to her current husband (relationship not going too well) and our child (her having a bit of an obsession with the child, like the child was hers).

I have then suggested to my partner that it was time to put some boundaries in place as there should be, and put a bit more distance between her and us. This was supported by my partner, though he wasn't overly keen to introduce all these changes as he did not want to 'rock the boat'. The boundaries mostly revolved around her presence in our place (no longer invited in, kids being dropped off/collected by their dad from her place). Nothing, I believe, that should be a problem for a former partner to respect and accept as their ex partner has moved on and started a family with someone else. The boundaries also include as little contact of my children with her as possible; she's of no relation to them, other than being a mother of their siblings.

It's been about a year now since the boundaries have been introduced and it didn't go down well with her, and it is actually getting worse. I have been name called by her, all of a sudden it's not kids are lucky to have me in their life but poor kids to have to endure me while staying with their dad.. the latest being that if I don't want her to be involved in my kids' lives then she doesn't want me to be involved in her kids' lives either.... completely ignoring the fact that she's comparing apples with pears; her kids are part of our household and my life for half a week each week, whereas my kids have nothing to do with her.

It's wearing, it's frustrating, it's upsetting and I don't know where it will end. It's also putting a strain onto my relationship with my partner as he is caught in the middle of it. It's all been fine for as long as it was on her terms. When the terms changed, I have been made the bad one, for asking nothing more than to be given space and peace for our family life.

For those who managed to read until the end, I would appreciate your views, AIBU?

YABU on soooooooooooo many levels here. If you can't see that then, I really don't know what to say.

BUT, I would absolutely stop anyone just letting themselves into my house unless they lived there - just ask for the key back or change the locks.

Sunshine0x · 07/06/2023 10:34

ButterCrackers · 07/06/2023 10:25

The ex wife doesn’t have any kids with her new partner so she’s probably jealous. There are ways to be polite and then there’s pushy behaviour that over steps. The ex should be grateful her kids are well looked after by their stepmother but she’s bitching and being nasty. I’d be checking how much she’s paying for her kids to be sure that the dad isn’t paying more than he should.

Many people don't want anymore DC I don't. I like having lots of disposable income and time to myself, more dc would set me back to nappies and drudgery. I like fussing over my friends babies though because they are cute, I like handing them back though.

Rosscameasdoody · 07/06/2023 10:32

Rosscameasdoody · 07/06/2023 10:29

The only reason the ex is bad mouthing the OP is because she’s been badly treated by her for no good reason other than the OP now seeing her as a threat because she believes her marriage is on the rocks. The nasty behaviour wasn’t there before the ‘boundaries’ were enforced, they started because of them.

Oh, and a custody battle ? Seriously ? And when the children are old enough to understand what happened, and realise that the common denominator in going from amicable co-parenting to the courtroom is the OP, that’ll go down really well won’t it ?

Tekkentime · 07/06/2023 10:32

Strange responses on this thread. Would anyone want such an overbearing ex wife of their dh? I doubt it very much.

Laurdo · 07/06/2023 10:30

Tiddlypomtiddlypom · 07/06/2023 10:01

I wouldn’t want her in my house. Nor crossing boundaries with my children. Especially if she’s become abusive towards me.

The previous arrangement only ‘worked’ because they let the ex do whatever she wanted. Now they’ve asserted themselves, she’s kicked off. Which suggests to me, it was never a healthy set up and it was long overdue.

The only one causing problems is the disrespectful and now abusive ex wife. She will be creating problems for the children. Women are told time and again in here to assert their boundaries.

And if the ex had behaved appropriately in the first place, they could have had a mutually respectful and amicable set up from the get-go, instead of what was happening, which was insanity.

Nothing excuses her abuse of the OP. And I can’t believe people are defending that behaviour.

Absolutely spot on! The split was clearly not amicable, she had an affair. I'm going to hazard a guess that her DP actually wasn't that comfortable with his cheating ex going in and out of his home but probably felt pushed into it. The ex sounds very controlling, probably why her DP has allowed her to call the shots all this time, and now he's finally putting up overdue boundaries she's pissed. How she thought that was acceptable is beyond me. She cheated, she broken up her family and she thinks everyone can just be friends? She's proven herself to be an untrustworthy person, I wouldn't want her in my home either and would have nipped this in the bud a long time ago.

The fact that she's kicked off just shows it wasn't a healthy set up. Co-parents can be civil for the kids without being in each others pockets.

Sunshine0x · 07/06/2023 10:30

I can see this from both sides really. You are insecure in your relationship as a second wife but it's been years and the ex hasn't tried to seduce or shag your husband yet. You have had your own DC so feel more secure in your position and are now trying to assert dominance in the household it's classic powerplay really.
You will always be your dcs mother , the ex probably doesn't want to shag your husband. She needs to take a step back but I don't think there's a problem with her being friendly with your baby. She absolutely shouldn't be inviting herself into your home.

I think its a sign she's moved on if she shows affection to your baby. A lot of exes can't stand new half siblings and won't foster the relationship between the step siblings and new half ones.

This has the potential to be a really good thing and positive for all the dc. Its not just boundaries you are putting in you are trying to assert power and dominance because you feel/felt insecure about your position. Its relational aggression.

Bathintheshed · 07/06/2023 10:30

ButterCrackers · 07/06/2023 10:25

The ex wife doesn’t have any kids with her new partner so she’s probably jealous. There are ways to be polite and then there’s pushy behaviour that over steps. The ex should be grateful her kids are well looked after by their stepmother but she’s bitching and being nasty. I’d be checking how much she’s paying for her kids to be sure that the dad isn’t paying more than he should.

The OP says her behaviour changed towards the ex when she found out ex had a rocky relationship with her husband. I would sat that is the OPs insecurity, not the ex wife acting with jealousy. Who's to say she wants more DC? How do you pay too much for your own children?

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