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Stickytofpud · 07/06/2023 00:25

New here so please bear with me. I came to search confirmation that I am not completely mad for what I have done/seek unbiased opinion. Apologies for long post, I felt that context and reasonable detail was needed so that people can inform their view.

I have two young kids with my partner, and his two older kids from previous marriage stay with us for half a week. The marriage broke down due to partner's ex wife's infidelity; she went on to marry the man she cheated on my partner with, no further kids born in that relationship.
When I moved in with my partner, I sort of 'jumped onto the running train' of established routine of my partner's ex featuring heavily in his life through constant messaging, but also physical presence, dropping off the kids and inviting herself in and ordering my partner to make her a cup of tea, dropping in to get stuff while we were not in the house, that kind of stuff. The infidelity and divorce upset my partner, but he's a man who's able to forgive so over time their relationship has become reasonably amicable and allowing for the above, but definitely not romantic (from his side anyway). As a newcomer, I was putting up with all that, though knew that this level of intrusion and presence from his ex was definitely not normal. To maintain the peace I tolerated the situation. Me and her would get on ok, and I get on well with the kids; she said numerous times how lucky her kids are to have me in their lives.

Me and my partner then had our first child who she would see when dropping off or collecting the kids, she would take the child in her arms etc etc. Some time after we had our child, things started to change for me, particularly after some information reached me related to her current husband (relationship not going too well) and our child (her having a bit of an obsession with the child, like the child was hers).

I have then suggested to my partner that it was time to put some boundaries in place as there should be, and put a bit more distance between her and us. This was supported by my partner, though he wasn't overly keen to introduce all these changes as he did not want to 'rock the boat'. The boundaries mostly revolved around her presence in our place (no longer invited in, kids being dropped off/collected by their dad from her place). Nothing, I believe, that should be a problem for a former partner to respect and accept as their ex partner has moved on and started a family with someone else. The boundaries also include as little contact of my children with her as possible; she's of no relation to them, other than being a mother of their siblings.

It's been about a year now since the boundaries have been introduced and it didn't go down well with her, and it is actually getting worse. I have been name called by her, all of a sudden it's not kids are lucky to have me in their life but poor kids to have to endure me while staying with their dad.. the latest being that if I don't want her to be involved in my kids' lives then she doesn't want me to be involved in her kids' lives either.... completely ignoring the fact that she's comparing apples with pears; her kids are part of our household and my life for half a week each week, whereas my kids have nothing to do with her.

It's wearing, it's frustrating, it's upsetting and I don't know where it will end. It's also putting a strain onto my relationship with my partner as he is caught in the middle of it. It's all been fine for as long as it was on her terms. When the terms changed, I have been made the bad one, for asking nothing more than to be given space and peace for our family life.

For those who managed to read until the end, I would appreciate your views, AIBU?

OP posts:
Sunshineandflipflops · 07/06/2023 08:54

IThinkItsCalledAButt · 07/06/2023 08:20

Obviously different people have different boundaries but I'd personally never accept my husband giving a key to his ex to our home. It just wouldn't happen, I don't want her coming in when she wants, I don't want to feel like I have to worry about my dirty washing being on display or pots in the sink (I know I know I'm sure she's not bothered but still) and it's my home so I do get a say on that whether or not my husband happens to have children with someone else.

As I said, I don't live with my dp so am perfectly happy for my ex to have a key. If I thought he was bringing anyone else in I would think differently but he doesn't and wouldn't (and I have a ring doorbell anyway).

I don't have dirty washing or dishes lying around anyway so not something I've ever thought about.

Lachimolala · 07/06/2023 08:54

Quveas · 07/06/2023 08:48

Really? That depends on how many times someone has been married, doesn't it? There could be three or more (ex) wives. And if someone else describes people as "first wives" (which the poster I answered did) then it is entirely appropropriate to continue the same categorisation to make the point.

I would be a second wife now divorced, does this make me first wife no2 or am I second wife no1 😂😂

Jokes aside this ‘bitter first wife’ nonsense is always trotted out by people that present as very insecure and uncertain. Quite sad really.

IThinkItsCalledAButt · 07/06/2023 08:54

I love that on this thread apparently it's a significant relationship, OPs children being her children's siblings and yet the consensus tends to be on lots of other threads that the SMs children are nothing to do with the ex. It seems to swing whichever way is seen more favourably toward the ex wife in any given situation. Hmm.

cobicat · 07/06/2023 08:52

Definitely one of those threads where I'd be curious to hear the other side...

CurlewKate · 07/06/2023 08:50

Actually- probably more than 4 years....

beachcitygirl · 07/06/2023 08:49

LAMPS1 · 07/06/2023 08:04

OP, the status quo before all your sudden boundaries was so good for the children and your DH was happy with it too.
It was only you who didn’t like it. Fair enough, you had put up with it for a while so wanted some things to change.

But I think you threw the baby out with the bath water.
Your sudden sweep of big changes wasn’t what your DH wanted as he knew it would rock the boat but you persuaded him anyway, ignoring his concerns.
It was all too much at a time.

And so it was very offensive to the dsc mum, especially as she was suddenly faced with never being allowed interaction with your child as if she was a monster and especially as she was suddenly not allowed over the doorstep. She had been friendly …over friendly maybe….but you made her your enemy. How sad.

In your very determined mission to sweep in your boundaries, did you not stop to think how she would feel …..and therefore how her children would feel and therefore how her children’s father would feel to have this awful upset in their own household. Yes it’s your home too of course but you crashed all the good nature and good will for everybody including yourself, when there was a simple much cleverer alternative. You could have handled it in a less offensive way … introducing barely perceivable changes much more gradually, one at a time so that everybody had chance to get used to it without really noticing.

Is it possible you could try to do something to restore that previous happy atmosphere and good will with your dsc mum so that you no longer feel like the baddie in all this ?

I think in doing that, you will get some of the peace you wanted in the first place.

Great post ! Much better than mine

KellyanneConway · 07/06/2023 08:49

Sounds like someone is doing some shit stirring - who is the person with the insider info and how do they know you and the ex?

Quveas · 07/06/2023 08:48

sourcorn · 07/06/2023 08:43

It's not "second wife" it's just wife.

Really? That depends on how many times someone has been married, doesn't it? There could be three or more (ex) wives. And if someone else describes people as "first wives" (which the poster I answered did) then it is entirely appropropriate to continue the same categorisation to make the point.

Notamum12345577 · 07/06/2023 08:48

Stickytofpud · 07/06/2023 00:25

New here so please bear with me. I came to search confirmation that I am not completely mad for what I have done/seek unbiased opinion. Apologies for long post, I felt that context and reasonable detail was needed so that people can inform their view.

I have two young kids with my partner, and his two older kids from previous marriage stay with us for half a week. The marriage broke down due to partner's ex wife's infidelity; she went on to marry the man she cheated on my partner with, no further kids born in that relationship.
When I moved in with my partner, I sort of 'jumped onto the running train' of established routine of my partner's ex featuring heavily in his life through constant messaging, but also physical presence, dropping off the kids and inviting herself in and ordering my partner to make her a cup of tea, dropping in to get stuff while we were not in the house, that kind of stuff. The infidelity and divorce upset my partner, but he's a man who's able to forgive so over time their relationship has become reasonably amicable and allowing for the above, but definitely not romantic (from his side anyway). As a newcomer, I was putting up with all that, though knew that this level of intrusion and presence from his ex was definitely not normal. To maintain the peace I tolerated the situation. Me and her would get on ok, and I get on well with the kids; she said numerous times how lucky her kids are to have me in their lives.

Me and my partner then had our first child who she would see when dropping off or collecting the kids, she would take the child in her arms etc etc. Some time after we had our child, things started to change for me, particularly after some information reached me related to her current husband (relationship not going too well) and our child (her having a bit of an obsession with the child, like the child was hers).

I have then suggested to my partner that it was time to put some boundaries in place as there should be, and put a bit more distance between her and us. This was supported by my partner, though he wasn't overly keen to introduce all these changes as he did not want to 'rock the boat'. The boundaries mostly revolved around her presence in our place (no longer invited in, kids being dropped off/collected by their dad from her place). Nothing, I believe, that should be a problem for a former partner to respect and accept as their ex partner has moved on and started a family with someone else. The boundaries also include as little contact of my children with her as possible; she's of no relation to them, other than being a mother of their siblings.

It's been about a year now since the boundaries have been introduced and it didn't go down well with her, and it is actually getting worse. I have been name called by her, all of a sudden it's not kids are lucky to have me in their life but poor kids to have to endure me while staying with their dad.. the latest being that if I don't want her to be involved in my kids' lives then she doesn't want me to be involved in her kids' lives either.... completely ignoring the fact that she's comparing apples with pears; her kids are part of our household and my life for half a week each week, whereas my kids have nothing to do with her.

It's wearing, it's frustrating, it's upsetting and I don't know where it will end. It's also putting a strain onto my relationship with my partner as he is caught in the middle of it. It's all been fine for as long as it was on her terms. When the terms changed, I have been made the bad one, for asking nothing more than to be given space and peace for our family life.

For those who managed to read until the end, I would appreciate your views, AIBU?

I think you needed to put some boundaries in place, but imo you went too far. Yes to her not just dropping in or insisting on staying for tea, but she isn’t even allowed to drop her kids at yours?

teabycandlelight · 07/06/2023 08:47

Stickytofpud · 07/06/2023 01:22

I am getting fair pummeled here, not sure I can take any more for one night. But I asked for unbiased opinions so that's what I got so I have some thinking to do. I do think though that some of the posters did jump into conclusions a bit too fast; there's only so much one can say in one post without making it too long (which i did already), the small nuances, which are important do get lost.

I don’t think you’re being pummelled here. There’s lots of good advice and perspectives here from people in your exact situation.

she may be annoying, but I don’t think you are in the right.

Am afraid you entered this situation. I’d have no problem with her making a fuss of my children- she will never replace you.

as you say, this has been triggered by rumours about her relationship. It sounds like you are feeling a little jealous and insecure. You probably need to address this with your husband, rather than setting ‘boundaries’.

I get it OP. You probably feel like you’re the junior member in this set up, and not in charge of your own home. But this is not the answer.

Katiesaidthat · 07/06/2023 08:46

I think you are being unreasonable on some things and very reasonable on others.
Why the hell was she coming in your home when you are not there? That to me is totally unacceptable, and on your husband to sort. On the other hand, her not being able to pick up at the house, not being able to have a good relationship with your kids, or give them a hug (one understands they are small, not 12) is really odd, and doesnt sound like a boundary, but as control. You are a pariah now, keep away. And you are surprised she took it badly? If she is a control freak, just like you, you should have known this approach was the bull in a china shop approach.

CurlewKate · 07/06/2023 08:45

As I said- it's only on Mumsnet that cuddling babies is considered suspicious!

Does nobody think it's at all relevant that the OP has suddenly-after 4(?) - years imposed these new boundaries on hearing a rumour that the other woman's relationship might be rocky? Not when she moved in. Not when her own children were born.

Tiddlypomtiddlypom · 07/06/2023 08:44

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I’ll say 😆😆😆

sourcorn · 07/06/2023 08:43

Quveas · 07/06/2023 08:42

Yes I read it thank you. At the point when she said this there had been no abuse at all, and I am not seeing any abuse - different opinions yes, but not abuse. If you can see any actual abuse please to report it to MHHQ who will delete it. But having a different opinion than yours (or hers) is not abuse. Although making assumptions that different opinions are just being posted by "first wives" is pretty judgemental / abusive in itself. Aren't "first wives" allowed opinions? I guess you must be a "second wife"???

It's not "second wife" it's just wife.

Bathintheshed · 07/06/2023 08:43

My friends parents couldn't be in the same room. So she decided not to marry her partner as it would cause a massive family fall out. She did eventually, once her Dad died but please do put children in this situation.

Quveas · 07/06/2023 08:42

Tiddlypomtiddlypom · 07/06/2023 08:13

Have you even read the thread? Have you seen some of the verbal abuse that first wives posters have thrown at her?

Yes I read it thank you. At the point when she said this there had been no abuse at all, and I am not seeing any abuse - different opinions yes, but not abuse. If you can see any actual abuse please to report it to MHHQ who will delete it. But having a different opinion than yours (or hers) is not abuse. Although making assumptions that different opinions are just being posted by "first wives" is pretty judgemental / abusive in itself. Aren't "first wives" allowed opinions? I guess you must be a "second wife"???

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 07/06/2023 08:41

Your kids are her kids step siblings and she sees and will see them often...I don't think hugging and kissing them is over stepping, unless your kids didnt like it. 'Being no relation' doesn't mean someone can't have a relationship. And you could have just said to stop hugging and kissing, instead of trying to ensure she never sees them. Try and look at it from her point of view - she had no idea any of this was an issue before, she thought she had a good relationship with you and enjoyed seeing your kids and is then suddenly banned from the house and banned from seeing your kids when nothing has really changed

sourcorn · 07/06/2023 08:41

AlfietheSchnauzer · 07/06/2023 08:40

What on earth is wrong with that?! It's great that they can bond! When the kids are much older it will mean your child feels comfortable around her, to approach her & visit their siblings at their house during the teen years etc 🤷🏼‍♀️

There's no need for the DC to EVER be in the SDC's mums house.

AlfietheSchnauzer · 07/06/2023 08:40

Stickytofpud · 07/06/2023 01:12

I am sorry that i have come across as hideous. There's seeing my children and there's cuddling and kissing my children. Would you be happy with that for your children?

What on earth is wrong with that?! It's great that they can bond! When the kids are much older it will mean your child feels comfortable around her, to approach her & visit their siblings at their house during the teen years etc 🤷🏼‍♀️

Ihaveshitfriends · 07/06/2023 08:40

Can any posters who suggested dropping off in car parks or supermarkets go to hell.
Just awful for the poor kids.
My parents apparently couldn’t stand each other in the early day of their separation but faked smiles and polite conversation as they handed over at our house, this grew to our mum getting our dad a cup of tea as we were so slow getting ready. They are now friends and visit each other in hospital, come to family BBQ with their partners and chat. In short they are decent loving parents who put the well being of their children first.

BusyMum47 · 07/06/2023 08:37

If things are going to work well, long term, in a blended family, then there has to be some give & take.

While she DOES sound like a bit of a cheeky pain in the arse, she's hardly the worst ex partner on the planet & how intrusive can she possibly be, when you only encounter her, twice weekly, on crossover days?

It was FAR better before, for ALL the kids, when things were harmonious.

I agree that she was definitely overstepping in terms of letting herself into your house without you being there - that has to stop immediately & should be non negotiable.

Is her having a cuppa every now & then that bad, though? Surely it's a 'grit your teeth' situation to allow the kids to see a mature, healthy, family dynamic?

As for her appearing to be overly interested in your babies - that will wear off - she might just be broody, especially as she hasn't gone on to have other children with her 2nd DH. What exactly is it that bothers you so much?

If you're confident in your relationship with your DH & know that even if she WERE to attempt to cross that line, he would immediately reject her, then I don't see why her being 'involved' in your life as a blended family is so invasive to you. Its not like she's there all the time & never leaves you alone, is it? 🤷‍♀️

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sourcorn · 07/06/2023 08:36

Tiddlypomtiddlypom · 07/06/2023 08:35

That’s exactly it. I think some first wives feel a bit like they retained partial ownership of the man for being there first. And they throw their weight around.

It's weird like they forget the whole "ex" bit!

Spirallingdownwards · 07/06/2023 08:35

Stickytofpud · 07/06/2023 01:22

I am getting fair pummeled here, not sure I can take any more for one night. But I asked for unbiased opinions so that's what I got so I have some thinking to do. I do think though that some of the posters did jump into conclusions a bit too fast; there's only so much one can say in one post without making it too long (which i did already), the small nuances, which are important do get lost.

Please don't take this to heart. This is MN where step mums are apparently evil and the first wife retains queen status even where she is the one who had the affair and went off with a new partner now it seems!

The real issue is that your DP need to step up as I think he is part of the problem.

Tiddlypomtiddlypom · 07/06/2023 08:35

sourcorn · 07/06/2023 08:32

It's all a bit like the ex is "queen bee". She's not. She's an outsider to the family unit that DH, OP and the kids are in. They aren't one family they are two familys

That’s exactly it. I think some first wives feel a bit like they retained partial ownership of the man for being there first. And they throw their weight around.