The WHO want your four year old to be taught about masturbation and gender identity

Kent a sex-positive liberal county? Are you actually from the UK? because that sure sounds like rhetoric from ultra-religious conservatives from the States.

Because 14 year olds being taught how to put a condom on bananas is commonplace as is talking about oral sex to 14 year olds in sex ed. It's 14 year olds, so completely believable. Not four years old, as this thread is about. If four years were taught it then yes it would make headlines. But 14 year old teenagers? Nope. It's unremarkable.

Then why are the media jumping all over old WHO reports and taking them out of context (as per this thread), but are oddly totally silent on the alleged banana incident?

Because surely, surely they'd be all over that given how keen they are to safeguard children (apparently).

Or could it be that it's complete bollocks and there's no story there at all.

These are clearly people who have never been around children.
I mean... we all played "doctor" as kids! I didnt know about SEX, had zero idea about it, but looking back, playing doctor was very sexual.
There was loads of sexual play when I was aorund 4/5/6.
I just didnt know what it meant!

Girls dont have a penis, so its less obvious, but 4 year old boys will NOT leave their penises alone! They are obsessed! Of course they know how to masturbate, even if they dont know what it is.
My nearly 3 year old nephew had a meltdown the other day, as, after being naked for a bit at the beach, he didnt want a diaper put on, as he wanted to play with his penis...
Absolutely normal!

If the WHO want four year olds to be taught about gender identity, does that mean the WHO has worked out (a) what the fuck gender identity actually is, and (b) why we should care?

Because the last time I looked at the WHO's page on gender and gender identity it was incoherent gibberish.

"If they were, it would have been all over the news and that teacher would rightly have been fired."

Chryst, you really believe that don't you?
In this age not only would the teacher not be fired, but it's not even noteworthy to even be reported or on the news.

I just searched right through QueenCamilla's posts, and not once did she say "maybe it wasn't true".

Everyone has the right to call out misinformation and lies.

Her story is not "evidence" any more than me saying "my cousin's friends dog saw @Neopolitan nicking an old woman's handbag" is evidence. Unsubstantiated posts on social media are not evidence.

It's not testimony, it's a post on social media.

Yes, I do say she's lying (or has been misinformed).

No school would teach a 14 year old to put on a condom with their mouth. If they were, it would have been all over the news and that teacher would rightly have been fired.

Because it isn't true. It's not in any sex Ed curriculum and Queen Camilla backtracked and said 'maybe it wasn't true'

It's nothing to do with 'naivety'. It's knowing what happens in schools and 14 year olds at no pont in UK schools ever have been taught to simulate oral sex on a banana as part of sex Ed.

There's a difference between naivety and not believing any old shit anonymous people say in the Internet to back up their crazy posts.

Yes, I will absolutely invalidate people lying on the Internet about important subjects like what is being taught in schools when it's not true.

Sorry people are calling you a liar, @QueenCamilla . How dare they, they have absolutely no right. I think they are convincing themselves it's a lie, because they don't want to confront the truth. It's easy to dismiss evidence than face the fact you're ignorant and naive to what is actually happening. It's a way for them to brainwash themselves into denying the truth. I believe you. I think many of us learned how to put condoms on bananas in sex ed, with your mouth is just the next step considering they discuss oral sex in sex ed (which I don't have a problem with the discussion of oral sex per se, in high school sex ed).

Absolute bullshit.

I'm getting a screaming urge to watch the Goodies Sex Education episode.

No, that is misinformation. Not "all" babies do it. Some do, but not all.

Why are you, @Astralitzia and @ZittingBiting so sure it didn't happen? Are you calling @QueenCamilla a liar? Her niece told her. Do you usually go around calling people liars and dismissing their experiences? I don't think you have the right do invalidate anyone's testimony and accuse them of lying because it contradicts your niavety.

When I was at school admittedly near 3 decades ago, we were shown how to put condoms on bananas. The condoms could have been latex or latex-free, I don't remember, no one knew about, or gave a shit about, 'latex allergies' back then. It's not a stretch to imagine the way society/teachers are these days that they would learn to put them on with their mouths given oral sex is used as part of sexual education.

The WHO doesn't want that.

It is.

An organisation using a WHO logo does not mean it is a WHO publication. Especially when it clearly states the organisation that published the document and it's not the WHO.

Which has been repeatedly pointed out buy people ARE frothing about the WHO wanting children of 4 to be taught about masturbation. Which is simply not true.

All babies do it.

Why do children need to know be educated on stuff like this, in first place then?

I can understand better if it was teenagers being taught stuff like this.

All children need to know is their bodies are private, and that should be respected for child safety welfare protection..

I started my period in Y6 so learning about puberty near the end of Year 4 (so age 8-9) is fine. No need to discuss sex until this time. No need to discuss masturbation at all. You’re doing the right thing by telling children to take their hands out of the pants. I don’t agree with the WHO who want young children to learn about masturbation. They can figure that out as teens.

This. Stop spreading misinformation

All current WHO document versions are on the WHO’s own website. If it’s current, it will be there. Can you find the document from IMEC’s website on the WHO one? No?

Happy to be corrected by those genuinely knowledgeable about international policy, but the current guidance seems to be the 2018 one.

WHO has over 8000 people working for them. And it's exactly the sort of organisation whose credibility would appeal to those who have less than pure motives.

Childhood masturbation has been linked to emotional deprivation, which may in turn lead to more self-stimulation. It may also be associated with sexual abuse.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2994165/#:~:text=Childhood%20masturbation%20has%20been%20linked,lead%20to%20more%20self%2Dstimulation.&text=It%20may%20also%20be%20associated%20with%20sexual%20abuse.

https://adw.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2018/09/Sexual-Abuse-Indicators-Tip-Sheet.pdf

• Sexual signs of Sexual AbuseIncreased questions about human sexuality
• Excessive masturbation or masturbating in public

Sexual
· Over attention to adults of a particular sex
· Displaying unusual interest in the genitals of others
· Acting out adult sexual behaviour with adults, dolls or other children
· Open displays of sexuality, for example, repeated public masturbation
· Precocious knowledge of sexual matters
· Promiscuity, repetitious sexually precocious behaviour.

It's also important to know that regular frequent and prolonged masturbation can be an indication of stress or sexual abuse. I will briefly discuss these two possible underlying causes.
Children who are stressed or who have experienced any kind of trauma often develop self-stimulating behaviors such as thumb sucking, self-rocking, or masturbation. These repetitive behaviors can be an indication that a child is holding in painful emotions. If you think that your daughter is using masturbation in this way, it would be useful to look for possible sources of stress (or trauma) in her life, and to reduce stress, if possible. She would also benefit from being allowed greater freedom to release painful emotions through tears, tantrums, play, and laughter, as described in my books.
Sexual abuse is a specific kind of trauma that can lead to masturbation. Children who have been sexually abused develop a precocious awareness of their genitals and often begin to masturbate. It's important to be aware of this possible cause, especially if you notice other symptoms of sexual abuse (such as an increase in fears or nightmares, regression in toileting habits, social withdrawal, or reluctance to stay with a specific person).
If your daughter is otherwise happy and outgoing, however, and her self-stimulating behavior occurs only occasionally, you probably don't need to be too concerned about it.
http://www.awareparenting.com/answer6.htm

How exactly are boys supposed to go to the toilet or clean themselves properly if merely touching their penis is considered a safeguarding concern

Repeatedly masturbating in public alongside other concerning behaviours is one thing, acting like a child is not allowed to touch part of their own body is a very different thing.