The WHO want your four year old to be taught about masturbation and gender identity

Exactly.
All my children did it, too.
We told them it was normal to do it but they should make sure it was done privately.

Small children DO masturbate before they reach puberty though, although they of course don't understand the full context.

It's not pleasant to think or talk about but it's a natural behaviour which doesn't necessarily indicate there is abuse.

It obviously needs to be managed carefully and they need to be taught that some things are private and shouldn't be done in public, but it is not a "wrong" behaviour per se.

@Swrigh1234 it's actually a normal part of child development. They explore their own bodies and find when they touch certain parts it feels nice. Both my children have done it and I have had discussions with both that it's ok to do (to themselves) but that it has to be done privately.

In what way?
All small children masturbate.
It's normal.

Small children don't have autonomy. They're minors.

If you're doubting whether this stacks up, read this especially p51 for a handy table of PIE/UN/WHO

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Comprehensive-Sexuality-Education-A-Review-of-UNESCO-and-WHO-Standards.pdf

The links are there. And if you very sure you can spot grooming, try passing this quiz. Is it PIE, UNESCO, or Wales?

twitter.com/genderisharmful/status/1655908690438791169?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

To masturbate?

Poor kids with parents who now see this as normal and literally complicit in the grooming of their own children. Spinning it doesn’t change what it is.

The Telegraph is a Tory sh*t rag

It is not grooming to teach small children autonomy.

If your 4 year old knows how to do this, that’s a safeguarding issue right there.

OP: makes wild claim

Posters: provide various evidence against said claims

You: well I guess they don't mind their children being groomed.

Can you not see how mad this is? Look at the claims being made and then look at the actual information in the article. It doesn't add up. You don't have to swallow everything you're told and not everyone is out to get you or your children. The media sensationalise stories like this all the time.

As far as I can see, no-one as yet has any solid evidence that this is true. Where are the children coming home telling their parents about it? Where is their homework? Where is the official syllabus from schools which includes this?

There isn't any.

It's the media taking things out of context and running wildly away with it.

Don't be silly.
4 year olds already know how to masturbate.

What? Parents talking to their children about their bodies when they're touching themselves and not shaming them?

That's grooming is it? Funny definition you have there.

Oh this is the way to spin grooming then.

The police would probably log a non-crime hate incident….against you. Because you discriminated against a paedophile, sorry minor attracted person.

This.

https://fullfact.org/health/who-alcohol-women/

The WHO document is from 2010, it’s not new and it’s not setting out a new sex ed curriculum for the UK. The WHO recommends Children 0-4 should be given information about their body and normal touching etc but doesn’t say it should be taught and it doesn’t say by teachers or in schools. It means having a conversation with children within normal contexts as they arise, so if your child comments they touched their body (as pre-schoolers can and do) you respond in an age appropriate but non-shaming way that reassures them it’s okay and normal. It’s about having those conversations in age appropriate ways from the beginning rather than shutting down any body talk down until they’re older.

What, even when they're not pregnant or breastfeeding?

This is normalising abuse of children. So many have now become de sensitized to it. You can can see it in the responses saying yeah but, no but. Oh well, if you don’t mind minor attracted persons aka peadophiles grooming your children, go for it. Fill your boots. Cue the outrage about conspiracy theories. It’s not like some of this isn’t happening in schools already.

The WHO are absolutist nutters. I remember recently they “advised” that women of child bearing age should never drink any alcohol, ever.

I never see these types of decrees being targeted at men. I’m donning my hard hat but can’t help but feel since Covid they have got a bit drunk on their perceived sense of power.

No child should be being taught that they either have or must pick a 'gender identity'

It's an entirely feelings based religious belief to claim some sort of inner gender essence. There is no evidence of it.

Or it's a diagnosable mental health issue called dysphoria/body dysmorphia, and actively encouraging children to dissociate from their sexed body is child abuse.

Let's hope not! The government has already said they are not taking up many of the recommendations.

But if places like the World Health Organisation are promoting RSE that is raising flags, then the more sunlight the better.

Safe Schools Alliance are about as informed as you can get on this specific issue, so hopefully, if they have time to comment, they can clarify.

Especially as AIBU reaches more mumsnetters than any other board.

@2fallsfromSSA

No-one is teaching your 4 year old to masturbate for Christ's sake

https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-ireland-children-sex-education-curriculum-masturbation-5158825-Jul2020/

This outlines the facts.