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The WHO want your four year old to be taught about masturbation and gender identity

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GrabbyGabby · 14/05/2023 10:47

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/13/outrage-over-who-advice-on-sexuality-for-infants/

This is where queer theory gets you. Women have been sounding the alarm on the consequences of the promotion of queer theory in all realms of life. This is what it looks like when applies to sex ed for very young children.

So, before you dismiss people like me as modern day Mary Whitehouses, just take a read and ask yourself why? What problem is this solving? Why do very young children need to be taught about sex and sexual pleasure? Are they benefiting, if not, who is?

(article behind a paywall, but there is a trick that will allow you to read it. A quick google should tell you).

Outrage over WHO advice on sexuality for infants

Guide argues that ‘sexuality education starts from birth’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/13/outrage-over-who-advice-on-sexuality-for-infants

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 14/05/2023 12:33

Considering that all the gloves, etc in our first aid kit have to be latex free in case of allergies I call bullshit on a school allowing a load of 9-10yr olds to put latex directly into their mouths. This urban legend has been doing the rounds for years, if you're going to lie at least make up a new one.

This was definitely part of 80s 'AIDS' era 'safe sex' talks at university but anyone could have a go at it and it was all part of the fun. They made sure the condoms were the flavoured ones.

ZittingBiting · 14/05/2023 12:32

QueenCamilla · 14/05/2023 12:18

And to those naively trusting that the sex education lessons won't cross any boundaries... Here's an activity from one of those lessons as experienced by my 14 yo niece about 5 years ago:

When taught about safe sex, they (girl pupils) had to put a condom onto a banana.... With their mouth.

It's most likely a mixed class now, if the current state of sex-politics is anything to go by.

That didn't happen.

QueenCamilla · 14/05/2023 12:31

@IamAlso4eels

I don't think that being taught how to masturbate would ever be a thing.
I object to some random getting their nut off at chatting to kids whether "it feels nice to touch oneself", how "it's OK, we all do it" or "there are certain places where touch can feel pleasurable".

Stick to safety and biology. Though I suppose the latter has been cancelled... 🙄 Just fine, let's talk sex and gender instead 🙄🙄🙄

Astralitzia · 14/05/2023 12:27

QueenCamilla · 14/05/2023 12:18

And to those naively trusting that the sex education lessons won't cross any boundaries... Here's an activity from one of those lessons as experienced by my 14 yo niece about 5 years ago:

When taught about safe sex, they (girl pupils) had to put a condom onto a banana.... With their mouth.

It's most likely a mixed class now, if the current state of sex-politics is anything to go by.

I'll take "things that didn't happen" for £5,000 please Alex.

TheShellBeach · 14/05/2023 12:25

QueenCamilla · 14/05/2023 12:18

And to those naively trusting that the sex education lessons won't cross any boundaries... Here's an activity from one of those lessons as experienced by my 14 yo niece about 5 years ago:

When taught about safe sex, they (girl pupils) had to put a condom onto a banana.... With their mouth.

It's most likely a mixed class now, if the current state of sex-politics is anything to go by.

What absolute nonsense.
This did not happen.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 14/05/2023 12:24

QueenCamilla · 14/05/2023 12:18

And to those naively trusting that the sex education lessons won't cross any boundaries... Here's an activity from one of those lessons as experienced by my 14 yo niece about 5 years ago:

When taught about safe sex, they (girl pupils) had to put a condom onto a banana.... With their mouth.

It's most likely a mixed class now, if the current state of sex-politics is anything to go by.

That did it for me, I was being totally swayed by the posters who were giving out links to prove that this was just another right wing propaganda thread, which ive noticed more of them on Sundays for some reason, but then Queen Camilla dropped that unverifiable anecdote and thats it wOnT yOu pLeAsE tHiNk oF tHe cHiLdReN

IamAlso4eels · 14/05/2023 12:21

QueenCamilla · 14/05/2023 12:18

And to those naively trusting that the sex education lessons won't cross any boundaries... Here's an activity from one of those lessons as experienced by my 14 yo niece about 5 years ago:

When taught about safe sex, they (girl pupils) had to put a condom onto a banana.... With their mouth.

It's most likely a mixed class now, if the current state of sex-politics is anything to go by.

Considering that all the gloves, etc in our first aid kit have to be latex free in case of allergies I call bullshit on a school allowing a load of 9-10yr olds to put latex directly into their mouths. This urban legend has been doing the rounds for years, if you're going to lie at least make up a new one.

TheShellBeach · 14/05/2023 12:21

This thread comes up on here every so often and it gets the same hysterical replies each time.
Nobody is teaching children to masturbate.
They don't need to be taught something which they already do by instinct.
Children do need to be told that they are entitled to boundaries regarding who touches their bodies, though.
The two issues are separate.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 14/05/2023 12:20

I'm also interested to see the primary source.

IamAlso4eels · 14/05/2023 12:19

QueenCamilla · 14/05/2023 12:11

Well if your small children masturbate in public, please do your bit of parenting and ask them to carry on in private (as weird as that sounds).
I see no need whatsoever to discuss such private, sexual matters in a class setting lead by adult strangers.

I'm 36 and I wouldn't want that sort of "awareness" done to me.
I would have felt completely uncomfortable with masturbation and sex topic as a child. How about those boundaries?? Not wanting to talk sex in class?

The only person spreading "awareness" and "comfort within my body" was also abusing me as a child.

I'll FUCK UP any adult talking sex to my small child before they fuck my child.

No one in school is teaching small children about sex, we don't chat sex in class or go into detail about sex. I work with KS1 and KS2 children.

What we do teach from a young age is bodily autonomy, awareness of boundaries and building positive relationships, we tesch how to keep our bodies healthy and so on. This then forms the building blocks as they grow and progress through school. In KS2, year 4 in our school (so age 8-9) they start to introduce concepts around puberty and by year 5 (9-10) they have had all the details of what to expect from the next stage of their development and reproductive health starts to be introduced.

Absolutely no one in schools is telling four year olds about sex and showing them how to masterbate.

QueenCamilla · 14/05/2023 12:18

And to those naively trusting that the sex education lessons won't cross any boundaries... Here's an activity from one of those lessons as experienced by my 14 yo niece about 5 years ago:

When taught about safe sex, they (girl pupils) had to put a condom onto a banana.... With their mouth.

It's most likely a mixed class now, if the current state of sex-politics is anything to go by.

ZittingBiting · 14/05/2023 12:14

QueenCamilla · 14/05/2023 12:11

Well if your small children masturbate in public, please do your bit of parenting and ask them to carry on in private (as weird as that sounds).
I see no need whatsoever to discuss such private, sexual matters in a class setting lead by adult strangers.

I'm 36 and I wouldn't want that sort of "awareness" done to me.
I would have felt completely uncomfortable with masturbation and sex topic as a child. How about those boundaries?? Not wanting to talk sex in class?

The only person spreading "awareness" and "comfort within my body" was also abusing me as a child.

I'll FUCK UP any adult talking sex to my small child before they fuck my child.

It's not happening. It's not being taught to 4 year olds in school nor did the WHO suggest it should.

anunlikelyseahorse · 14/05/2023 12:13

It's WHO, just look at their track record. IMHO The whole organisation is rotten to its core.

ZittingBiting · 14/05/2023 12:13

PonyPatter44 · 14/05/2023 11:59

It's interesting that people are saying "we taught our children that masturbation is normal / feels nice / etc". The key word there is "we", as in the parents. But this report is about education and educators. One wonders what sort of people would have an interest in talking about explicit sexual issues with other people's pre-teens.

There's some unusual stuff in the original WHO report about breaking down morality as well, with the implication that morality, in the concept of sex education, are a bad thing.

https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-ireland-children-sex-education-curriculum-masturbation-5158825-Jul2020/

The WHO are not suggesting masturbation be taught in schools to 4 year olds. This hysteria has been going on for years and it still isn't happening.

FactCheck: Will children be taught how to masturbate as part of their education from September?

The claim had been made by social media users.

https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-ireland-children-sex-education-curriculum-masturbation-5158825-Jul2020

QueenCamilla · 14/05/2023 12:11

Well if your small children masturbate in public, please do your bit of parenting and ask them to carry on in private (as weird as that sounds).
I see no need whatsoever to discuss such private, sexual matters in a class setting lead by adult strangers.

I'm 36 and I wouldn't want that sort of "awareness" done to me.
I would have felt completely uncomfortable with masturbation and sex topic as a child. How about those boundaries?? Not wanting to talk sex in class?

The only person spreading "awareness" and "comfort within my body" was also abusing me as a child.

I'll FUCK UP any adult talking sex to my small child before they fuck my child.

IamAlso4eels · 14/05/2023 12:09

PonyPatter44 · 14/05/2023 11:59

It's interesting that people are saying "we taught our children that masturbation is normal / feels nice / etc". The key word there is "we", as in the parents. But this report is about education and educators. One wonders what sort of people would have an interest in talking about explicit sexual issues with other people's pre-teens.

There's some unusual stuff in the original WHO report about breaking down morality as well, with the implication that morality, in the concept of sex education, are a bad thing.

But it's not sexually explicit.

Teaching children that some things, such as touching certain parts of their body, should only be done privately is not sexually explicit.

Teaching children that it's okay for them to touch their bodies but that no one else is allowed to except for very specific reasons (e.g., a doctor with a trusted adult present) is not sexually explicit.

Teaching children that they have the right to not be touched and that if anyone touches them, or tries to touch them, in any of those areas of their body then they should speak to a trusted adult is not sexually explicit.

Children who are educated about what is healthy and where boundaries should lie, as well as how to enforce those those boundaries and what to do of someone is crossing them, are at a lower risk of abuse than children who are not.

budgiegirl · 14/05/2023 12:06

Swrigh1234 · 14/05/2023 11:46

If your 4 year old knows how to do this, that’s a safeguarding issue right there.

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Absolute rubbish. I would think most four year olds masturbate. My DD used to hump cushions when she was 3, because it 'felt nice'. She didn't know why, or the full implications of that, but she was certainly masturbating. We just explained that it was a normal feeling, but best to keep it to when she was in private.

Almost all four year old boys walk around with their hands down their trousers at some point!
On it's own, it's certainly not a safeguarding issue.

TheShellBeach · 14/05/2023 12:00

If you think that small children masturbaring is a safeguarding issue, who do you think it should be reported to?

@Swrigh1234

PonyPatter44 · 14/05/2023 11:59

It's interesting that people are saying "we taught our children that masturbation is normal / feels nice / etc". The key word there is "we", as in the parents. But this report is about education and educators. One wonders what sort of people would have an interest in talking about explicit sexual issues with other people's pre-teens.

There's some unusual stuff in the original WHO report about breaking down morality as well, with the implication that morality, in the concept of sex education, are a bad thing.

Didimum · 14/05/2023 11:57

GrabbyGabby · 14/05/2023 11:22

Interesting @Didimum@Didimum.@Didimum

I agree extreme porn is a massive problem, and people do not understand coercive control nearly enough.

I am not sure how teaching very small kids about masturbation and gender identity helps.

My starting point would be tougher regulation on porn, and being very clear about how harmful it is to women and girls. And showing how mens sexual expectations are built around material that routinely shows violence and agression as a normal part of sex.

Absolutely. I think it should all be in conjunction. It’s sort of like the US gun control issue isn’t it …

TheShellBeach · 14/05/2023 11:55

Swrigh1234 · 14/05/2023 11:49

To masturbate?

Poor kids with parents who now see this as normal and literally complicit in the grooming of their own children. Spinning it doesn’t change what it is.

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Telling children that masturbation is normal is not grooming them FFS.

Didimum · 14/05/2023 11:53

Swrigh1234 · 14/05/2023 11:46

If your 4 year old knows how to do this, that’s a safeguarding issue right there.

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Many children do masturbate. It’s naive to think they don’t and that it’s an externally learned behaviour. I had a conversation with a group of friends a few years ago and a few of them could remember masturbating from age 5, even more of them from at least age 7. Some more like 12, and others not at all. There is a wide range within the ‘normal’ curve.