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GrabbyGabby · 2023-05-14T09:47:17+00:00

[[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/13/outrage-over-who-advice-on-sexuality-for-infants https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/13/outrage-over-who-advice-on-sexuality-for-infants/]] This is where queer theory gets you. Women have been sounding the alarm on the consequences of the promotion of queer theory in all realms of life. This is what it looks like when applies to sex ed for very young children. So, before you dismiss people like me as modern day Mary Whitehouses, just take a read and ask yourself why? What problem is this solving? Why do very young children need to be taught about sex and sexual pleasure? Are they benefiting, if not, who is? (article behind a paywall, but there is a trick that will allow you to read it. A quick google should tell you).

YetAnotherSpartacus · 14/05/2023 13:01

Yeah, having skimmed a few documents and used word search I'm not convinced this is something to get frothed up over.

There is a lot of good content about rights, safety, power, patriarchy and gender-based violence.

I wonder how many people all up in arms have read the actual documents?

Greentree1 · 14/05/2023 13:00

Has anyone got a link to an actual WHO document on sexual education for 0 -4 year olds. The only one I can find starts at 5 - 8 year olds and at that age discusses families, etc. Click on the download, scroll down to about page 42 on.
I haven't looked through the whole thing so may have missed something.

https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/9789231002595

International technical guidance on sexuality education. An evidence-informed approach

Comprehensive sexuality education (CSE) plays a central role in the preparation of young people for a safe, productive, fulfilling life in a world where HIV and AIDS, sexually transmitted infections (STIs), unintended pregnancies, gender-based violence...

https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/9789231002595

Datun · 14/05/2023 12:59

ZittingBiting · 14/05/2023 11:39

https://fullfact.org/health/who-alcohol-women/

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It says: “Appropriate attention should be given to prevention of the initiation of drinking among children and adolescents, prevention of drinking among pregnant women and women of childbearing age, and protection of people from pressures to drink, especially in societies with high levels of alcohol consumption where heavy drinkers are encouraged to drink even more.”
It is not exactly clear what “appropriate attention” to “prevention of drinking among [...] women of childbearing age” means here, but the WHO told us the draft “does not recommend abstinence of all women who are of an age at which they could become pregnant”.
We asked the WHO to clarify what it did mean by this section, but it said the plan being reported on by the media was a “first draft” and “several rounds of consultations” are due to take place before the final plan is released.

Apparently they did say 'appropriate attention' should be paid to prevention of drinking of women of childbearing age. But when they were questioned about it, they said it was just a first draft.

Confused messages at the very least.

https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/alcohol/action-plan-on-alcohol_first-draft-final_formatted.pdf?sfvrsn=b690edb0_1&download=true#page=21

Achwheesht · 14/05/2023 12:57

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CharlottenBerg · 14/05/2023 12:55

Neverendingstories · 14/05/2023 12:51

As usual the WHO spouting out more ridiculous information. I would imagine( and hope) the majority of educators take these guidelines and file them straight in the bin where they belong.

No young child needs to know this information until they start puberty.

Except it wasn't the WHO.

TheShellBeach · 14/05/2023 12:55

Neverendingstories · 14/05/2023 12:51

As usual the WHO spouting out more ridiculous information. I would imagine( and hope) the majority of educators take these guidelines and file them straight in the bin where they belong.

No young child needs to know this information until they start puberty.

Children do need to know this.
They need to know about it for their safety and protection.
Don't be naive.

ResisterRex · 14/05/2023 12:54

From that ICMEC link for ages 0-4:

"if the experience/feeling is not good, you do not always have to comply"

Do not always? And if a 0-4 child is being told it's good, then what?

And this is a "skill" for 0-4s:

"trust their instincts"

The red flag is visible from space

www.icmec.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/WHO-Curriculum-Matrix-for-CSE-in-Europe.pdf

ZittingBiting · 14/05/2023 12:53

CheeseTouch · 14/05/2023 12:48

Okay so the link I found above is from IMEC, a US based NGO that fights child sexual exploitation, and there is no context for it. Perhaps in settings where child prostitution is common, it is necessary to give some kids more detail in order to help them understand and set more appropriate boundaries. Sad it’s needed :(

The WHO website has this Guidance on from 2018, which has many sensible suggestions, including making the difference between sex and gender clear, gender inequality and stereotypes. Impact of culture. Nothing age inappropriate.

You're right.

https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-ireland-children-sex-education-curriculum-masturbation-5158825-Jul2020/

This outlines that the document isn't actually from the WHO.

Yet these threads keep coming up getting people frothing over something that isn't true.

FactCheck: Will children be taught how to masturbate as part of their education from September?

The claim had been made by social media users.

https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-ireland-children-sex-education-curriculum-masturbation-5158825-Jul2020

SunnyEgg · 14/05/2023 12:52

roarfeckingroarr · 14/05/2023 12:47

But we have to be kind, while our children's safety and our ability to organise as women (real, XX ones) is eroded.

I think the UK is slowly waking up to this OP.

The trouble is we’re heading towards a GE and the next lot really don’t want people to talk about it.

Neverendingstories · 14/05/2023 12:51

As usual the WHO spouting out more ridiculous information. I would imagine( and hope) the majority of educators take these guidelines and file them straight in the bin where they belong.

No young child needs to know this information until they start puberty.

CharlottenBerg · 14/05/2023 12:51

I read, in my teens, a book by AS Neill, the founder of a progressive school, Summerhill, in the 1930s, where kids did more or less whatever they liked. Like the trendy 'free schools' of the 1970s. He told how a father of a boy said 'I'm thinking of sending my boy to your school, but I'm worried he will learn to masturbate'. Neill replied breezily 'Well, it didn't do me any harm, and I don't expect it did you any either'. The father looked aghast and no more was heard from him.

Astralitzia · 14/05/2023 12:49

roarfeckingroarr · 14/05/2023 12:47

But we have to be kind, while our children's safety and our ability to organise as women (real, XX ones) is eroded.

I think the UK is slowly waking up to this OP.

No-one on this thread has said "be kind".

They are saying don't be a gullible fool.

TheShellBeach · 14/05/2023 12:49

QueenCamilla · 14/05/2023 12:39

@Astralitzia
@TheShellBeach

Happened indeed. Well, I wasn't there but the 14yo was. A school in Kent.
We were gobsmacked but the actual family found it somewhat amusing.

Just as well it wasn't my child.

P. S.

I also love that's it's two of you calling fiction. How predictable... You wouldn't want to know it as it's exposing your "boundary teaching" for boundary eroding that it is, right?

Hands off my children!!!! 😡

Hands off your children?
That's the whole point.
It's giving children the tools to tell a trusted adult when someone touching them inappropriately is happening, to keep them safe.
You should ask your niece when she started masturbating, since you trust everything she says.
You may be surprised by her answer.

CheeseTouch · 14/05/2023 12:48

Okay so the link I found above is from IMEC, a US based NGO that fights child sexual exploitation, and there is no context for it. Perhaps in settings where child prostitution is common, it is necessary to give some kids more detail in order to help them understand and set more appropriate boundaries. Sad it’s needed :(

The WHO website has this Guidance on from 2018, which has many sensible suggestions, including making the difference between sex and gender clear, gender inequality and stereotypes. Impact of culture. Nothing age inappropriate.

International technical guidance on sexuality education: an evidence-informed approach; 2018

https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/reproductive-health/sexual-health/international-technical-guidance-on-sexuality-education.pdf?sfvrsn=10113efc_29&download=true

roarfeckingroarr · 14/05/2023 12:47

But we have to be kind, while our children's safety and our ability to organise as women (real, XX ones) is eroded.

I think the UK is slowly waking up to this OP.

Somebodiesmother · 14/05/2023 12:46

Why do people keep repeating this nonsense? What do they get out of it?

ZittingBiting · 14/05/2023 12:44

Comby · 14/05/2023 12:42

Ya'll? Dear lord. Did you read my link? No ban...

Women of childbearing age should not drink alcohol, the World Health Organisation has said.

WHO officials were accused of being "sexist and paternalistic" after issuing the global advice, covering billions of women regardless of their family plans.

The WHO's draft global alcohol action plan 2022-2030 urges countries to pay "appropriate attention to prevention" of consumption in certain groups, including children, teenagers and women of childbearing age.

Did you read my link?

Which had the WHO denying that was the guidance?

Comby · 14/05/2023 12:42

Ya'll? Dear lord. Did you read my link? No ban...

Women of childbearing age should not drink alcohol, the World Health Organisation has said.

WHO officials were accused of being "sexist and paternalistic" after issuing the global advice, covering billions of women regardless of their family plans.

The WHO's draft global alcohol action plan 2022-2030 urges countries to pay "appropriate attention to prevention" of consumption in certain groups, including children, teenagers and women of childbearing age.

QueenCamilla · 14/05/2023 12:39

@Astralitzia
@TheShellBeach

Happened indeed. Well, I wasn't there but the 14yo was. A school in Kent.
We were gobsmacked but the actual family found it somewhat amusing.

Just as well it wasn't my child.

P. S.

I also love that's it's two of you calling fiction. How predictable... You wouldn't want to know it as it's exposing your "boundary teaching" for boundary eroding that it is, right?

Hands off my children!!!! 😡

Sissynova · 14/05/2023 12:39

It shouldn’t but it still amazes me how many people are intent on spreading lies and misinformation. Like is it just naïve ignorance or is it malice?

While schools are at it they should also focus on studying sources and where information comes from. Too many people are so quick to believe the utter bullshit the OP is spouting.

TheyAreMyBhunasPete · 14/05/2023 12:38

QueenCamilla · 14/05/2023 12:18

And to those naively trusting that the sex education lessons won't cross any boundaries... Here's an activity from one of those lessons as experienced by my 14 yo niece about 5 years ago:

When taught about safe sex, they (girl pupils) had to put a condom onto a banana.... With their mouth.

It's most likely a mixed class now, if the current state of sex-politics is anything to go by.

What a load of shit. Maybe your niece and her friends were fucking around, but the teacher telling them to just didn't happen 😂 either gullible, or hearing what you want to hear to fit your agenda

CabernetSauvignon · 14/05/2023 12:36

The issue around masturbation seems essentially to be quite pragmatic recognition that some children of this age have discovered that touching certain parts of yourself is pleasurable, so it is education around the fact that we don't do that in public. It's not aimed at telling 4 year olds to give it a go. This looks like a fairly typical Daily Telegraph attempt to wind its readership up into a froth of rage.

ZittingBiting · 14/05/2023 12:36

QueenCamilla · 14/05/2023 12:31

@IamAlso4eels

I don't think that being taught how to masturbate would ever be a thing.
I object to some random getting their nut off at chatting to kids whether "it feels nice to touch oneself", how "it's OK, we all do it" or "there are certain places where touch can feel pleasurable".

Stick to safety and biology. Though I suppose the latter has been cancelled... 🙄 Just fine, let's talk sex and gender instead 🙄🙄🙄

It's not. You've been told repeatedly it isn't happening nor did the WHO suggest it.

Somebodiesmother · 14/05/2023 12:34

Camillasfagwrinkles · 14/05/2023 11:19

I really don't think small children need to know about masturbation.

Good job schools aren't teaching them about it then.

CheeseTouch · 14/05/2023 12:33

YetAnotherSpartacus · 14/05/2023 12:20

I'm also interested to see the primary source.

Same.

I’ve just found this as a possible primary source. Can anyone verify if this is the correct WHO document?

https://www.icmec.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/WHO-Curriculum-Matrix-for-CSE-in-Europe.pdf