To worry about the right wing?

If there’s a Labour gov so be it. Hopefully it’ll be as you all believe.

On economics I’m not seeing it. Hence the different views.

Tbh I think it has sunk in that there is going to be a Labour government and many posters do not like it. And the gap is so big in the polls that you really have to wonder who is now prepared to give their support to the Conservatives. Once they lose, I think you will see a hard right libertarian party emerge. Sure it will be popular with hard right people but they have never been a majority in the U.K. in the same way as the hard left have not.

Honestly it’s just posts on a forum. You’ll see views you don’t agree with.

There’s no need to get that fixated.

As I’ve said beyond that direct hassling I have zero interest in those posts.

There are other posters I find more interesting of course, I engage with them.

Not at all. The opposite obviously hence the request to not engage. Which they are finding hard to hear given the post directly after mine.

That kind of hassling over that length of time suggests a need for rethink.

It’s not good, I don’t know how to be clearer.

Have you been stalking the PP since the pandemic? Do you not think that's creepy and weird, even for you @SunnyEgg?

Have I?

You know you’ve been doing this since the pandemic. I mean it’s a little invested given how long that is wouldn’t you say.

I think it’s now bigger in your head than it needs to be. I don’t quote you and beyond this direct hassling I don’t read your posts.

It’s really not that important. I actually do mean rerouting auto responses. Surely time is better spent elsewhere.

Brilliant! attempts at belittling..... you ve proved my point! maybe its an Australian thing? i'll ask my DD.

Ha at that post. Some get a little fixated…

Over a really long time.

CBT sounds good.

I notice it more from those on 'right wing, usually with a request along the lines of Dont engage with me or pls leave the thread, along with attempts at belittling.

Wonder what they are afraid off? maybe its that 20% deficit in the 'polls?

Yes you see it a lot on here

You ve made the pp point brilliantly.

Criticise one side with a blanket statement, ignoring the real issues on the other (tory) side of the debate.

Right or Left, make a point where the other side cannot defend or argue against and you'll quickly see "shutting down" "refusal to engage" & on MN "don't engage with me" type stuff.

Neither side like being challenged, as Starmer didn't in an interview on Sunday BUT if you ve been in power for 13years with nothing to show for it (according to many Tory campaigners) then you need to be at your best, instead its the same old " but Labour" and "they know what a woman is" ignoring the loss of rights have happened under their choice of Govt.

I've seen over the last few years a very hard push left across social media and among the "chattering" classes which has seemingly come with a desire to shut down discussion, debate and conversation if it involves even the mildest of challenge to their way of thinking.

I've only ever seen the left behave this way.

I also think there are plenty of threads started by those with vested interest, such as undeclared political affiliation.Not to say this one is-who knows-but plenty of threads smack of it.

Politics are what causes death and suffering of people. Everything is interlinked. Everything humans see, consume, experience is political. It’s not about “favourite party” - as much as they make it seem like a Big Brother eviction, this is real life.

I am discussing Antisemitism and politics @SunnyEgg.

Utter nonsense.

If anyone reads beyond jokey ‘hair’ threads they’d see the site IS heavily interested in discussing antisemitism and politics

It is not an irrelevance at all, unless you wish to avoid it for whatever reason.

I can guess why.

Antisemitism transcends politics. To use the death and suffering of Israelis and Palestinians to make a point about anyone's favourite UK political party is revolting.

I've seen plenty of accusations of antisemitism on MN since the attack. There are many nuanced posters, but there are also plenty of the other kind, and pretending that isn't the case helps nobody.

And I would probably be considered wildly antisemitic for thinking that Israel's actions in Gaza should not be brushed under the carpet.

Who would consider that? Jews in general do not argue this. Honestly, this kind of rhetoric is doing the Jewish community real harm now.

@SunnyEgg I don't consider myself sufficiently expert to engage in that debate. I also don't see any solutions. And I would probably be considered wildly antisemitic for thinking that Israel's actions in Gaza should not be brushed under the carpet. The zero sum thinking of Israel = good, Hamas = bad is just simplistic. They're both awful and as always it's civilians on both sides who suffer.

As an atheist, I also have no time for either side's religious claims to their 'Holy Land'.

You may not have posted on them but I have a few on my threads I’m on list on the topic of Corbyn and antisemitism

They have been deleted by mnhq.

There’s another now, just on who to vote for given previous antisemitism in the party

If you’re not interested in views of Jewish posters then it may seem politically irrelevant. But yes it is coming up and some are deleted.

@SunnyEgg there are quite a few countries shifting right. The world is a scary place right now, so that was pretty much bound to happen. Other countries are bucking the trend. I'm concerned about countries which are shifting heavily to the right because right wing governments tend to be bad for women, minorities and LGBT people and since I'm 2 of those, I think that's a bit shit. Right now, Poland is a little ray of light. May there be others.

I'm not generally that bothered about left and right and I'd consider myself centre-left but socially progressive, hence my concern about Italy, Hungary and Poland. It remains to be seen what will happen in NZ, but their National Party doesn't seem extreme to me so am not too concerned about them.

As for Corbyn - he's a has been, politically irrelevant. Hence the lack of threads, other than the spoof one about hair.

I believe the original point was this thread was bumped due to Poland, which seems a leap but also ignores that other countries are shifting right.

And the pp is here posting in any case, maybe it’s the demise of available Corbyn threads. They do seem to be radioactive these days. I wonder why.

I don't understand why you have a problem with my post. I'm being very equitable here and pointing out that whether you have a left or a right wing government, eventually they will be voted out because that is just how politics works. And whichever way it goes, some people will be happy and others will not.

Personally I'm glad Poland is looking likely to get a better government. Six dead women because of their crazy abortion laws is enough for me to feel that way.

Well, I suppose "woke" can be a good or bad thing.

It might mean thinking about issues and being open minded and aware, as well as tolerant of different kinds of people. I am like that.

Then it can go so far as to be completely taking the piss and crossing lines into ridiculous.

For example, my view is that it's a good thing to be very sensitive to trans people, listen to them, try and accommodate everyone to life safely and happily as they choose to. But it's flat out bonkers to let a biological male rapist go to a women's prison.

I think some parts of the left have taken being "woke" sooooooo far now that they have even lost me from their debate.

My friend's son is about 14 and he's already declared himself pansexual, bisexual, gender fluid yada yada and it's become fashionable to far overthink things.

Likewise the ,eft tend to jump on bandwagons with issues and be immensely dogmatic about them. They often can't listen to more balanced views and see that they are approaching things one sidedly.

In my view these things let the left down - which is a shame as left wing ideas are generally good