to be alarmed that more and more places are allowing dogs?

@SliceOfCakeCupOfTea sorry! My comment was to @Chasingadvice who you quoted.

Actually lots of people are not so keen on digs IRL too!

I love that dogs are allowed in more places now. If it encourages people to walk into city centers as opposed to driving then that's a great thing.

I'd rather see people walking around with their dogs than driving huge cars to city/town centers.

I’ve never understood why you would take your dog shopping. I’m pretty sure the dog would rather be either running about or asleep somewhere. Behaving like a dog.
Can’t imagine a dog wanting to go to Wilco or marks and Spencer’s.

The thing about a free market is, people can choose to run pubs, cafes and restaurants how they like and then they succeed or fail based on how popular that approach is.

So vote with your feet if you don't like it.

All of my life dogs have been legally allowed in pubs and cafes. It's good business, they wouldn't allow them if it wasn't.

Plenty don't though, you have a choice. Wetherspoons and Costa coffee, premier inns and supermarkets all ban dogs.

I don't own a business but I do run one. The business owner didn't want dogs in originally because he was worried they would damage the furnishings, make a mess or smell. After years of people asking to bring dogs and losing business because of not being dog friendly we finally allowed it one day per week with hefty fines for any damage.
Building is deep cleaned that evening.

We've got a small dog who is pretty well behaved. But I have to admit DH's tolerance levels for her behaviour are different to mine. If she barks I'd take her out immediately - DH might not....She's the light of his life and can do no wrong.

But anyway I love seeing a dog in a pub or cafe or shop and love the fact they are more dog friendly now.

I would love more adult human places to be honest! No kids, no dogs. Bliss!

Yanbu its gross

From my own experience a colleague whose husband owns a cafe found trade increased a lot when they allowed dogs. Most nearby now do the same. I do sympathise even though I love dogs. It must be hard for people with allergies now.

Oh I have! There is a pub near Box Hill in Surrey which a) does food, and b) is full of dogs. I saw a waiter trip over a dog on an extendable lead (owners sitting at one table ignoring the dog, which had wandered over on its leash to a different table to beg food). Waiter tripped over the lead while carrying about 4 mains. It was spectacular, food went everywhere.

I assure you poorly behaved dogs are more frustrating for other dog owners than they are for non dog owners.

If I take my dog in a pub he's perfectly settled, but if there's a dog barking, mooching around, my dog is disturbed and I have to deal with it

If I'm at the park and he's nicely pottering with me then an off lead nuisance for us is a nightmare.

The same with the weeing indoor issues. My dog hasn't weed indoors in years, but I have to be aware that he will think about wee ontop of other wee so in the marks example above, I'd be really annoyed that I had to deal with moving my dog on because someone else didn't control theirs.

Human children come before dogs
Children are the next generation, they grow up, contribute to society
Your dog is a useless shitting nuisance

That’s a terrible way to label children. 🤣Accurate but damning!

A dog owners money is as good as yours. Businesses can see that and will capitalise on it where they can.

Suck it up buttercups.

I love dogs, I have 2 labs.
They don’t come to cafes or restaurants with me ( other than outside areas and rarely that) , they would get bored coming clothes shopping with me.

They want to run around in the woods, on the (appropriate ) beach, up a hill, in a river. They are loved members of my family, and they are treated according to their needs - as dogs.

What puzzles me is that shops and cafes must have had a reason for not letting in dogs previously, so what has changed? Surely it was for hygiene and food safety reasons that they weren't allowed in places where people were eating. I don't mind dogs but I don't understand why they need to be in shops and restaurants.

The more places they are allowed the better but owners have to be responsible. No one wants a Great Dane at the table but in shops fine and pubs , coffee shops small dogs under tables. More and more people have dogs and if businesses want our customer they have to allow dogs .

What an absolute idiot. She should teach her dog the leave command.

I never said I had any hygiene concerns

I was saying that yes there are two camps of people here but that the non-dog lovers shouldn't automatically trump the dog-lovers and ultimately, it's down to the business.

So the thing you need to do is ask if they are a dog free zone, and on hearing a negative, tell them that's a shame as you will now go elsewhere. If enough people do that, the business will recalculate who they will make most money from
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This!
people who want to be dog-free need to start being as entitled as the dog-idiotics☝🏻

I wonder how many people (including the cafe owners) were irritated by your child wandering around dropping food? Personally I see it as my responsibility to train my dog to drop on command, and wouldn’t take him to a cafe, but I wouldn’t appreciate a toddler bimbling around dropping food on the floor, and would consider her a trip hazard. Perhaps controlling your child will lead to less confrontation?

I love dogs and don't mind well behaved ones in most places however I find a lot of them don't have responsible owners that have trained them well enough to behave in public let alone a cafe or shopping centre.

Is there a crew of mumsnetters on rotation for starting threads on dogs?

Exactly what hygiene concerns do you have? Dogs run around on the floor, but I don’t tend to lick the floor or eat off it. Also do you really think dog paws are less clean than people’s shoes?