to be alarmed that more and more places are allowing dogs?

Yup. Really dangerous. All 5kg of her.

Another dog bashing thread.

More dogs as people have lost the skills to communicate with other human beings
So more selfish owners
Companies want more business so cater to dog owners.

Yes it’s gross going to cafes and having to avoid dogs; most places accept them these days. This is London so I can only imagine what it’s like rurally.

I stay quiet and do nothing. It’s a business decision. Just hope that the bad owners with dirty inquisitive licky mutts don’t sit near me. We have to accept this now.

So the experiences of others doesn't count then?

This!

“The bottom line is dog friendly clearly equals more punters, more profit. So suck it up or stay in”

that was more or less my comment on the last of the many threads moaning about children in pubs

Exactly. All these posts would suggest bars and cafes are chock full of drooling, shitting, pissing, snarling dogs🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Anytime I've taken my wee furry bestie into the pub, he lies under the table and accepts all the treats from passing strangers (he is exceptionally cute....ok I'm biased🤣🤣). As do all the other dogs I see out and about in dog friendly venues. The bottom line is dog friendly clearly equals more punters, more profit. So suck it up or stay in😀

You're so right.

The mythical out of control children that jump up on people, slobber over them and bark uncontrollably while often showing shredding. Spreading their arselicking germs everywhere.

Dogs absolutely have more rights than human children to be in human facilities such as cafes and shops, don't you know?

I assume (most) of these dog fanatics have them as replacement children and project a lot of their issues on their mutts.

@Runaway0 i agree and dislike the owners of badly behaved dogs but don’t really come across them in the pubs and cafes I have been in (sometimes with my dog and other times without). Dogs usually just flop by the table. In the same way you might encounter a rude adult, rude adults have rude dogs but that’s not the norm.

Actually we have therapy animals who are excellently trained. A huge dog slobbering and jumping up on someone outside is not the same!! I wasn't scared for the persons safety I was scared for the dog actually. The dog owner would be the first to complain if the person lashed out and injured the dog. Keep the dog on the lead all sorted it's hospital grounds anyway but some people have decided its a dog walking spot!

In real life no one cares, and if they do they walk in to an establishment see 'offending' dog and then leave to go somewhere else. No one really cares.

I'd much rather a dog than a crying whinging toddler anyway 😂

@thelongroad in real life I’ve never come across this attitude outside mn. We had therapy dogs at both primary and secondary including the autism unit but on mn autism gets used as a reason for no dogs. It’s an odd place removed from my reality sometimes.

I live in Germany. Both dogs and children are welcome pretty much everywhere and it is not a problem. I read these threads and do wonder why the U.K. has such an issue with this (genuinely wondering, not being arsey). It's a total non-issue here. Nobody bats an eyelid, neither cause any disruptions or scenes or anything.

@DarkForces my dog was most confused when I walked by the pub entrance and into the country park last Saturday. We’ve not been in there that much but the landlord gives him treats and ice cream and it’s full of spaniels. It’s hugely dog friendly and very busy so I don’t think they lose a lot of trade due to fear of dogs.

I can't find Runaway0 original comment but my son used to be in a specialist residential school for autistic children. Some of the staff were able to bring they're dog's in. As long as they were well behaved weren't the type to jump up at people, run off or bark a lot. They got to walk the dogs on the on site wood's with the staff. My son used to have a fear of dog's. But being around them made him more at ease. He's still not a dog person but he will tolerate them now. He prefers farm animals sheep and alpacas being his favourite and rabbits and guinea pigs which we have always had as pet's.

I live in the West Country and have for 20 years. Dogs have always been allowed in places -cafés, pubs, shops. Most shops in Clarks village have water bowls out for dogs. I guess the shift happened when it became unacceptable to leave a dog tied up outside a shop and increased risk of theft. My ddog cost £2k and is a sought after breed. I am considerate but it’s easy to be with 2 adults. Would be harder as a single adult.

When I was growing up people left dogs home for hours on end.

We holiday in Northumberland and there are loads of bars, restaurants and shops that are dog friendly, it seems to work up there.

We refuse to go anywhere that is dog friendly inside as we are very dog unfriendly as a rule !

My local cafe has just stopped dogs from being allowed inside , good for them say us

be thankful you're not a farmer
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbury/news/amp/almost-50-lambs-savaged-in-horrific-dog-attack-285920/
Almost 50 lambs have been killed in a single dog attack in Canterbury. Officers were called to farmland near Elbridge Hill at about 6am on Saturday after walkers saw the dogs attacking the farm animals.
A ewe and 23 lambs died in the attack, and it is understood a further 23 lambs were seriously injured.
A statement from White Mills Vetinary Clinic, which was called to treat the wounded animals, said “more deaths are likely in the coming days”.
After officers attended the field, they were able to catch one Akita-type dog, while the other had left the scene. [....]“We are determined to locate the dogs' owners and I urge anyone who has any information about how these dogs came to be in this area to get in contact with us.”
Anyone with information should call Kent Police on 01843 222289, quoting reference 22-0239, or Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555111.

I wonder if the owner will be located, surely they knew what had happened?

Ah yes these mythical MN restaurants full of rampaging toddlers

It was a hypothetical!

A friend of mine had dog at her wedding a beautiful old English sheepdog. He was only there for the service though not the reception. She organised a dog sitter to look after him all day and she brought him to the service. That was her choice though.

@angela99999, I once went to a fantastic restaurant in Italy where, halfway through dinner, we were startled to see an elderly lurcher pop its head out from the tablecloth of the next door table with an expression that said "Anything for me?" Its owners gave an instruction and it disappeared again. It was the cutest thing ever, and still makes me smile. Anyway, the point is it just enhanced a lovely, sociable atmosphere. What you described is a horror show!

Who are you proposing should have put a leash on the wild deer who jumped out of the woodland at you? It’s neither acceptable nor unacceptable for a wild deer to jump at a human. It’s just the reality of living in a world where wild deer exist.

It’s ill-thought because once it’s allowed it can get out of hand very easily.

yeah, two dogs growling/barking at each other in the pub - which one leaves when they are both with people eating their dinner? awkward

Would it have been any better if there were small kids rushing around freely, crawling under tables and snatching food from plates?

Ah yes these mythical MN restaurants full of rampaging toddlers.