to be alarmed that more and more places are allowing dogs?

If you have a problem with dogs in those places you can always choose to not go there and to go somewhere else.

Swear to god MN likes to make problems that don’t actually give exist. Yes some places accept dogs. Plenty of places don’t. Go to those places and quit your whining that every single place doesn’t cater to your every wit, whim and desire.

FFS.

Food places

Must say I have noticed this more since pandemic.

I love dogs and have owned them but would never think to take them to good places and shops or even pubs. I didn't want them to have to sit still under a table for hours without freedom to roam or accidentally eat something off or wander around a store they can't even appreciate. Personally think it's very selfish of the owners - dogs are not humans we should just expect to accompany us everywhere around the daily business of life.

I'm also noticing many more dogs on the tube at rush hour. I feel very sorry for the animals as rush hour is awful for humans all cramped together, how much worse for an animal who can't move or stretch and when it's a small breed - I'm always concerned someone will stumble over them or injure them accidentally. Dogs on seats however is unhygienic and unsociable. And making life harder for your cleaners.

A lot of dog owners don't really understand dogs or know how to train them. Seen this happen in pubs quite often now - dogs who have not been socialised with other dogs (or even people) kicking off. Or having them off leash in crowded places or parks. I find it selfish of the owners - and not pleasant for a dog should the worst happen.

Neither? Pubs aren't exactly quite just move one to a different table or ignore it. Honestly the dog would happily sit on my feet it's DS who will be making a racket

Less worse???? Goodness. I mean less bad*

‘It is madness. I don't think any 'dog people' are taking their dogs to shops and cafes, it's people with fur babies doing this. It must be absolutely horrible for people that are scared of dogs at the moment.
People have no boundaries’

You and @BreviloquentBastard have it spot on. People’s behaviour around dogs has changed greatly. That’s why so many threads appear these days. You sound responsible. So many here don’t.

But why is the defence of dogs that kids are worse? It’s not just you that always says this. Screeching badly-behaved kids can make life difficult; dogs can too. Why do kids keep being mentioned? Doesn’t make the dog problem any less worse.

That’s why I wrote ‘for me’. I appreciate not everyone will agree. It just makes me heave. I wish it didn’t.

I have a dog, I've grown up with dogs, but I have never taken my dog into a cafe or shop, or even into a town centre.

It is madness. I don't think any 'dog people' are taking their dogs to shops and cafes, it's people with fur babies doing this. It must be absolutely horrible for people that are scared of dogs at the moment.

People have no boundaries. Dogs tied up outside school, a few times a Cane Corso with cropped ears being held by a child.

Most people in my extended family have dogs and I've never known any of them to take the dog to school or to a shop, it is not appropriate.

This, all this 👏

But like any additional needs, you can’t change every aspect of the world around you to fit them, partly because everyone’s are different. I say this as a mum in an ND family where both myself and my husband have mobility issues (his due to micro haemorrhage, mine have improved and I am no longer in a wheelchair or needing a stick). You have to pre-plan things and go to the things that are accessible. I don’t think enough is truly accessible yet, there could still be plenty of improvements, but I also don’t expect every cafe or attraction to suit our needs. Equally, as someone who’s had serious mental illness, it is up to yourself (or you as a parent for your child) to work out techniques that help. No, it may not be possible to overcome some phobias when someone has additional needs and it makes life harder, but there are provisions in society for those who struggle with dogs.

I don’t have dogs, but I also don’t have an issue with dogs. However, some of the comments on the dog threads in relation to additional needs and disability are confusing and not really in touch with reality. Society don’t shut down all loud entertainment because some people cannot cope with loud noise, or shut down all attractions that cannot make themselves safe for those at high risk of stroke or seizure, or those that change stairs to a ramp and a lift to make them accessible for those with mobility problems. For a start, there are plenty of clashing needs. However, it’s also about learning to manage your own needs in life. There have to be reasonable adjustments for that, but not a complete ban of everything that doesn’t personally suit you.

Different how?

I don't have a dog,but I love them. I think it's great that they're being allowed into more public places now. Rather them than screaming,whingeing,badly behaved children. I have my ears assaulted on a regular basis by screeching kids on public transport,or in coffee shops. I honestly can't say the same about any dogs that have been there. I must say I'm rather surprised at all the dog hating on Mumsnet.

@Missingmyusername I am now having nightmarish images of a tarantula filled cafe 😳😂

@AlwaysGinPlease Its not as simple as 'just get over your fear'. Anxiety and phobias can be debilitating and can make life miserable. Additionally if the phobia is accompanied by additional needs, it won't be possible for them to get over it.

I must be living on another planet because I have never seen dogs in shops, restaurants or cafes. I didn't even know it was a thing until this thread and another one I was on. I would have definitely noticed it as I would think it was odd because of thinking they weren't allowed in.

@Blossomtoes Absolutely gorgeous dog 🐶

@WalkingAwayNow I have to agree with you there, I cannot stand the smell of wet dog. Vile.

Just stay home if you are that concerned about coming across a dog...problem solved.

Some people really just like to complain and be miserable about everything.

Good grief! I do not feed my dog chocolates but I know perfectly well that a small amount is safe provided it's not the dark variety. Do some proper research and don't believe the hysteria on the internet.

And if you'd bothered to read my previous posts you'd have noticed that I said my dog eating slices of carrot cake which contained sultanas resulted in a big vet bill so yes - I am actually well aware that dried forms of grapes are potentially hazardous for SOME dogs. There are plenty who are actually fine with grapes but unfortunately no way to tell in advance which is why my cake scoffing little thief ended up at the emergency vet on a Sunday afternoon!

@Elphame you shouldn't have dogs if you think ANY chocolate is ok and you don't know raisins, currants etc are dangerous not just bloody grapes

Utter rubbish - you are thinking of grapes.

My 10kg dogs would not be affected by a small bar of milk chocolate.

Try the calculator if you don't believe me

https://www.vets-now.com/app/chocolate-calculator?utm_source=vn-lp&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=ab.test.apr23

Oh come on really, dog smells worse than all the crap you smell at hospital

@vodkaredbullgirl 😂l think it's about ready for a refresher course then, lovely dog, just SO full of beans! And the owner is the most complain-y person l've ever come across and l've been in retail for years so that's saying something!

The worst smell in the world for me is wet dog. It makes me retch. And I have worked all my life in a hospital and smelt some rank stuff and am pretty tolerant of odours!

Takes 2 years to train an assistance dog.

And this is why I need to move there.

I work in a visitor attraction that welcomes dogs. The dogs are all fine - one or two of the owners l could definitely live without, though ... There is one loon who insists her constantly-bouncing-off-the-walls pupper is an assistance dog in training and drags it into all the dog-free areas where it flattens things and licks people who don't want to be licked. The dogs is just being a dog but the owner seems to get some weird buzz out of arguing with people who object - l don't know how long actual assistance dogs take to train but she's been coming with the same mad hound for years and years!