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Dalai llama ask a child to suck his tongue

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Mooshamoo · 10/04/2023 12:49

Has anyone seen the new video of the Dalai Llama asking a child to suck his tongue. Yes. It sounds bizarre. But it is in the news right now. The video is out there. And the dalai llama is apologising on social media now

Im devastated! I went to see the Dalai Llama in India. He gave a speech on accepting and loving everyone, and that it didn't matter what religion we are. I always told people that it was one of the highlights of my life.

I went through life thinking he was a good person, that he was one of the good ones. To see this today, makes me think oh no is he yet another abuser.

Some people have remarked about this video that sticking your tongue out at someone is a greeting in Tibet.

However - the Dalai Llama kisses the child on the lips in the video, and asks the child to suck his tongue. It does not look right at all.

He has apologised on twitter now.

What do you all think?

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MyopicBunny · 10/04/2023 19:25

It's disgusting. Another 'respectable' person using his power to abuse children.

onirgellep · 10/04/2023 19:25

Sudeko · 10/04/2023 19:05

Can anybody link to any credible research that dementia causes sudden onset full blown pedophilia? I expect not but it has been invented as a thing in the past day and I expect will be the line of argument they fall back on to save the cult.

There is a large body of research describing inappropriate sexual behaviour in people suffering with dementia - this is particularly true when the kind of dementia effects the frontal lobes leading to disinhibited behaviour

The vast majority of this behaviour is seen at home and residential care not on the world stage - and will be dealt with by families and carers as best they can

For a small number of men [usually] suffering with dementia who have a supressed lifelong sexual interest in children loss of frontal control lobe can lead to paedophilic acting out

But early dementia can also lead to significant failures of judgement of a non-sexual nature

So it's complicated

Sudeko · 10/04/2023 19:21

That article does not reference pedophilia. It alludes to a magnification of your previous sexual tendencies and a shedding of inhibitions surrounding those which sadly suggests that he may have been either suppressing pedophilic sexual urges, acting upon them and/or has merely now dropped his inhibitions. I don't put it within the usual spectrum of sexual perversion and fetishes. It stands apart in it's core nature and motivations.

MarshaBradyo · 10/04/2023 19:20

oakleaffy · 10/04/2023 19:18

I had no idea that the DL was removed from his family as a toddler and raised by celibate monks..That in itself is deeply concerning.

Enforced celibacy is unnatural to many people.

One can imagine how it might lead to abuse of the vulnerable.

This set up is concerning.

GingerbreadBaking · 10/04/2023 19:20

Those saying it's to do with China trying to ruin him firstly it can'tbe a deep fake as he acknowledgedthe incident and this guy was involved with China also though he worked in their favour.

The highest up in the Catholic Church was McCarrick, Pope John Paul II, Benedict and Francis haven't as far as I know been accused themselves, so it's factually incorrect to say the Popes were the same as the DL, though they seem to have had attitudes like many on this thread.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58019652

Mr McCarrick in his priest's collar, file photo

Theodore McCarrick: Defrocked US cardinal charged with assault and battery

Theodore McCarrick is believed to be the highest-ranking US Catholic to face criminal abuse charges.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58019652

pickledandpuzzled · 10/04/2023 19:18

@KnitGoodWomanKnit
Possibly some lose inhibition and reveal who they always were.

Others, without doubt, develop behaviour that would shock and horrify their former self. It's very distressing for friends and family.

oakleaffy · 10/04/2023 19:18

AllIsBest · 10/04/2023 19:14

@onirgellep
Early subtle symptoms of dementia include personality changes and lack of judgement well before the onset of memory impairment etc - sometimes only apparent in retrospect when the diagnosis has been made

Last year the DL was reported to be 'in very good health' and I imagine he has excellent healthcare and regular health screening which would include assessment for dementia/cognitive impairment

This information about his health was released wrt to the discussions around how they will find his successor - huge conflict with China about this who want to see an end to the DL's 'Tibetan government in exile' on his death

So putting him away quietly would have repercussions beyond his spiritual role

If that man has dementia and dementia makes him act in a sexually abusive way to kids, he needs to be kept away from children. Who will take responsibility to ensure the DL is never in the vicinity of children, whether it's in front of cameras or without witnesses?

I'm also rather Hmm that the DL was taken away from his family and raised by celibate monks. I wonder what that experience was like for a young isolated boy. Very, very odd.

I had no idea that the DL was removed from his family as a toddler and raised by celibate monks..That in itself is deeply concerning.

Enforced celibacy is unnatural to many people.

One can imagine how it might lead to abuse of the vulnerable.

pickledandpuzzled · 10/04/2023 19:17

https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/get-support/daily-living/challenging-sexual-behaviour-dementia

This was posted really early in the thread.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 10/04/2023 19:17

I think it's revolting. Some people on twitter are saying he was just playing with the boy. No. No he wasn't. He fucking wanted that boy to suck his tongue. He made the boy feel awkward and realised and then went for a kiss on the lips Instead.
People think of the Dalai Llama as some kind of superior being.
No, he's just a bloke. And a horrible one at that

KnitGoodWomanKnit · 10/04/2023 19:15

KnitGoodWomanKnit · 10/04/2023 19:07

Hmmm...Is it a personality change or more the sort of private personality one would've been able to quench or hide from others before but due to cognitive decline, is unable to control and hide anymore?

To clarify, for some people who suddenly became sexual perverts after dementia, could it be that they always were but due to cognitive decline, can no longer hide it like they used to?

Because I truly don't believe that someone can otherwise change personalities to a sexual pervert or paedophile, dementia or not (I don't mean a particular person here btw).

AllIsBest · 10/04/2023 19:14

@onirgellep
Early subtle symptoms of dementia include personality changes and lack of judgement well before the onset of memory impairment etc - sometimes only apparent in retrospect when the diagnosis has been made

Last year the DL was reported to be 'in very good health' and I imagine he has excellent healthcare and regular health screening which would include assessment for dementia/cognitive impairment

This information about his health was released wrt to the discussions around how they will find his successor - huge conflict with China about this who want to see an end to the DL's 'Tibetan government in exile' on his death

So putting him away quietly would have repercussions beyond his spiritual role

If that man has dementia and dementia makes him act in a sexually abusive way to kids, he needs to be kept away from children. Who will take responsibility to ensure the DL is never in the vicinity of children, whether it's in front of cameras or without witnesses?

I'm also rather Hmm that the DL was taken away from his family and raised by celibate monks. I wonder what that experience was like for a young isolated boy. Very, very odd.

pickledandpuzzled · 10/04/2023 19:13

I'm not a cult apologist. I don't want to criticise someone else's religion that I know nothing about, but I've always been surprised by the awe and respect the Dl is given by people with no cultural or religious connection to him.

As far as I'm concerned he's someone in a highly unusual position of ultimate privilege and ultimate lack of freedom. The best opportunities in terms of education and influence. Very few choices, given he was removed from his family as a toddler. Any appearance he gives of great wisdom is down to that, imo.

I'm not actually a fan.

BirdChirp · 10/04/2023 19:13

Sudeko · 10/04/2023 19:05

Can anybody link to any credible research that dementia causes sudden onset full blown pedophilia? I expect not but it has been invented as a thing in the past day and I expect will be the line of argument they fall back on to save the cult.

Sexually inappropriate behaviour is a well known symptom. Including to relatives, children - there aren't any usual boundaries.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4980403/

EnVogue · 10/04/2023 19:12

Nothing makes this acceptable. Nothing.

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Irishbell · 10/04/2023 19:09

No surprise to me at all.
ALL religious leaders abuse their power.

pickledandpuzzled · 10/04/2023 19:09

No, it absolutely mustn't ever happen again. No one should be at risk of that behaviour.

IF he is suffering cognitive decline, I can believe the team around him didn't want to see it given the political implications. I don't suppose it crossed their mind that something as awful as this could happen.

KnitGoodWomanKnit · 10/04/2023 19:07

Hmmm...Is it a personality change or more the sort of private personality one would've been able to quench or hide from others before but due to cognitive decline, is unable to control and hide anymore?

Sudeko · 10/04/2023 19:05

Can anybody link to any credible research that dementia causes sudden onset full blown pedophilia? I expect not but it has been invented as a thing in the past day and I expect will be the line of argument they fall back on to save the cult.

sealon82 · 10/04/2023 19:05

Why is it that when things like this happen so many people try to find excuses. It reminds me of how insane people are about Michael Jackson.. (A bad childhood means it's okay to sleep with little boys)
If it acts like a nonce it probably is a nonce!

oakleaffy · 10/04/2023 19:03

BurrosTail · 10/04/2023 18:47

@TheKeatingFive what I mean is that when I first visited the UK and saw one dad holding hands with his daughter I felt unease because holding hands is a couple thing back home, but when I saw it again and again on school trips, then obviously quickly understood that it’s normal in the UK. I’ve never held my dad’s hand, and my mum has never held my grandad’s hand. We just don’t do that. Same with kissing kids in the mouth, I would feel unease if some random neighbour decided to kiss a kid to mouth because it’s a couple thing but it’s just understood differently in different cultures.

I can't see any culture where ''Tongue sucking'' is a form of greeting.
The little boy was clearly extremely uncomfortable, and tried to pull back.

It IS inappropriate. If the DL is beginning to have cognitive decline,{as some apologists are saying} surely he ought not to have children presented to him if this is how he acts.

It was bizarre and alarming to see that clip.

ILoveMontyDon · 10/04/2023 19:02

I'm yet to find any evidence that children sucking an adults tongue is a cultural norm in any society. Does anyone have any?

A child dancing with their father and a child sucking an adults tongue - er... a bit different I'd say.

onirgellep · 10/04/2023 19:01

pickledandpuzzled · 10/04/2023 18:36

We don't know whether the DL is start8ng with dementia.
We don't know whether he has been abusive behind the scenes, and is now displaying that behaviour.
We don't know if there is some joke or cultural context that we just don't get.

It's possible the DL is no longer able to correctly process what is going on around him, or respond appropriately. There is a series starting on R4 about dementia. In one trailer, a chap was talking about cats and bunnies frolicking about the corners of the room. His brain has deteriorated and he now sees things that aren't there.

There comes a point where we can no longer hold people responsible for their actions. We rely on safeguarding procedures to keep such people in safety to protect those around them, and themselves.

So DL needs to be either prosecuted for inappropriate behaviour of some kind, or kept in seclusion in his old age. He can't resign or be fired. Senior monks can take on some of his work, but they can't be The Dalai Lama.

I don't think considering all the explanations for this single incident is pedophilia apologia. It's using your brain.

This incident can't be repeated, whatever caused it.

And no, demented elderly people cannot be held responsible for their behaviour, and the first signs may not be easily spotted and acceptable, they can be desperately embarrassing and humiliating, or harmful.

We don't know.

This is fair comment

Early subtle symptoms of dementia include personality changes and lack of judgement well before the onset of memory impairment etc - sometimes only apparent in retrospect when the diagnosis has been made

Last year the DL was reported to be 'in very good health' and I imagine he has excellent healthcare and regular health screening which would include assessment for dementia/cognitive impairment

This information about his health was released wrt to the discussions around how they will find his successor - huge conflict with China about this who want to see an end to the DL's 'Tibetan government in exile' on his death

So putting him away quietly would have repercussions beyond his spiritual role

Sudeko · 10/04/2023 18:59

pickledandpuzzled · 10/04/2023 18:55

I find american daddy daughter dances really creepy. Obviously that's completely wrong of me, and due to my cultural ignorance.

Sadly my dad was a very traditional old fashioned one. That closeness of dads and daughters is totally unfamiliar to me.

You are both giving off 'same-cult vibes' because there is this stinking great crime shoved in your face involving two strangers but you are freaked out by obviously innocent parent-child interactions.