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Dalai llama ask a child to suck his tongue

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Mooshamoo · 10/04/2023 12:49

Has anyone seen the new video of the Dalai Llama asking a child to suck his tongue. Yes. It sounds bizarre. But it is in the news right now. The video is out there. And the dalai llama is apologising on social media now

Im devastated! I went to see the Dalai Llama in India. He gave a speech on accepting and loving everyone, and that it didn't matter what religion we are. I always told people that it was one of the highlights of my life.

I went through life thinking he was a good person, that he was one of the good ones. To see this today, makes me think oh no is he yet another abuser.

Some people have remarked about this video that sticking your tongue out at someone is a greeting in Tibet.

However - the Dalai Llama kisses the child on the lips in the video, and asks the child to suck his tongue. It does not look right at all.

He has apologised on twitter now.

What do you all think?

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L3ThirtySeven · 10/04/2023 21:08

JerseyRoyals · 10/04/2023 20:52

Might be different religions but the rules are still made by humans (men).

So yes, I stand by the concept that if the will is there he can quietly retire. Or be retired.

Wiki says he had announced a plan to retire at 90. So that may be accelerated.

Sudeko · 10/04/2023 21:08

A natural response would be feeling ashamed and immediate resignation. if the dementia was a factor, this would be alluded to. instead, he is trying to hatch a plan to justify his continuation. that tells me everything I need to know.

L3ThirtySeven · 10/04/2023 21:07

Sudeko · 10/04/2023 20:54

I accept that but he is so powerful that he would not be treated like a regular person regardless of what the scan showed. He could buy his way out of horrific behaviour which has already crossed a line.

If a Pope can be replaced (I think it was Ratzinger) than so can a DL

How is he powerful? He lives in exile on the charity of others. He has no money and no property. How can he buy his way out of anything?

He should simply retire from public life and no, he cannot he replaced because his replacement will be his reincarnation. So he has to die and his reincarnation be born and found for him to be replaced.

This is nothing like the Pope who is an elected spiritual leader.

Sudeko · 10/04/2023 21:06

If it is anything like the cult I was raised in then he is a bit like the head of a big bucks MLM so retaining him keeps a lot of others on the payroll. I could never imagine that guy being replaced even though he sucks. Even though people claim that the leader is only leading, I am in no doubt that many worship him as a deity

HRTQueen · 10/04/2023 21:02

MyopicBunny · 10/04/2023 20:58

I agree 👏👏

I agree too excuse after excise will be made for some men

not being able to step down well at times things have to change

either way he is not safe to be around children. Now let’s think of his role and what that actually means

MyopicBunny · 10/04/2023 20:58

isadoradancing123 · 10/04/2023 20:16

I hate people who make excuses, maybe a brain tumour, maybe onset dementia, maybe this, that or the other. Stop , there is no excuse, for this behaviour, and he should step down immediately. Apologising means absolutely nothing.

I agree 👏👏

Sudeko · 10/04/2023 20:54

L3ThirtySeven · 10/04/2023 20:51

It’s not an excuse. An MRI would show the areas of brain damage associated with the type of dementia a person would have. This isn’t something you can fake. It’s physical and as real as a broken bone or appendicitis.

I accept that but he is so powerful that he would not be treated like a regular person regardless of what the scan showed. He could buy his way out of horrific behaviour which has already crossed a line.

If a Pope can be replaced (I think it was Ratzinger) than so can a DL

Zone2NorthLondon · 10/04/2023 20:53

This thread attests why abuse by revered & popular people is denied,minimised,tolerated
The amount of obfuscation and denial, the rush to seek a cultural explanation…anything other than call this what it is - abuse

JerseyRoyals · 10/04/2023 20:52

Might be different religions but the rules are still made by humans (men).

So yes, I stand by the concept that if the will is there he can quietly retire. Or be retired.

L3ThirtySeven · 10/04/2023 20:51

Sudeko · 10/04/2023 19:33

Since dementia can start early, can all the other pedos use it as an excuse as well? It is very much a nod towards the theory that pedos are not evil, they have brain abnormalities which is sadly how I have suspected it will play out for all of them over time.

It’s not an excuse. An MRI would show the areas of brain damage associated with the type of dementia a person would have. This isn’t something you can fake. It’s physical and as real as a broken bone or appendicitis.

GingerbreadBaking · 10/04/2023 20:48

JerseyRoyals · 10/04/2023 20:40

True.

But also, all these religious rules are just made by men anyway. So he can step down. or can be made to. If the will is there. Like the previous Pope retired when it had never been done before.

Pope Benedict wasn't the first Pope and a Pope and DL are two different religions, totally different figures.

My understanding is that the DL claims to be the reincarnation of a Prince.

The first Pope was founded by Jesus who organised his religion, Peter denied Christ three times, he was a simple fisherman and wasn't even a favourite - that was John who Jesus asked to take his widowed Mother who was losing her only child - into his home. The Pope is not set as a perfect diety, he is an imperfect human.

L3ThirtySeven · 10/04/2023 20:47

KnitGoodWomanKnit · 10/04/2023 19:15

To clarify, for some people who suddenly became sexual perverts after dementia, could it be that they always were but due to cognitive decline, can no longer hide it like they used to?

Because I truly don't believe that someone can otherwise change personalities to a sexual pervert or paedophile, dementia or not (I don't mean a particular person here btw).

Dementia is literally brain damage, it’s not revealing that which was consciously hidden. I know it’s hard to believe, but any acquired brain injury can alter your personality. This can be due to traumatic head injury, illness like brain cancer or progressive age related diseases like dementia. There are many scientific papers on this. In addition distressing inappropriate public sexual behaviour that is completely out of character is a common symptom of dementia. Dementia also progresses slower the older you are when you first start showing signs.

Sudeko · 10/04/2023 20:42

Honestly, he is hands down the most powerful man on the planet. and he cannot be removed I know that because the majority of people in the highest positions of power kowtow to him. I don't think he has been physically prevented from doing what he likes for a very long time. I don't think any of his loyal disciples have the will or the power to intervene at all. I don't think child victims are well supported in that country. it is all looking very bleak.

VestaTilley · 10/04/2023 20:41

Abuse is abuse. That is child abuse.

FictionalCharacter · 10/04/2023 20:41

@WhateverYouSayEh I totally agree and I’m sorry that happened to you. I went through horrible shit as a child too including rape. I’ll never forgive them, including my parents who made me kiss old people who were strangers to me and sit on their laps, which I hated. At least I’ve been able to bring up my own kids to be able to say no and to not be people pleasers.

JerseyRoyals · 10/04/2023 20:40

pickledandpuzzled · 10/04/2023 20:37

He can't actually step down. There won't be another DL until after he dies.

He can retire from public life, though.

True.

But also, all these religious rules are just made by men anyway. So he can step down. or can be made to. If the will is there. Like the previous Pope retired when it had never been done before.

pickledandpuzzled · 10/04/2023 20:37

isadoradancing123 · 10/04/2023 20:16

I hate people who make excuses, maybe a brain tumour, maybe onset dementia, maybe this, that or the other. Stop , there is no excuse, for this behaviour, and he should step down immediately. Apologising means absolutely nothing.

He can't actually step down. There won't be another DL until after he dies.

He can retire from public life, though.

L3ThirtySeven · 10/04/2023 20:36

Naunet · 10/04/2023 18:34

It’s also a common ‘symptom’ of being a nonce. Do you seriously think this man doesn’t have people around him looking out for his health? I bet he gets regular full check ups, but you know better than his doctors?

Stop excusing child abuse.

Like you know what his doctors think! 🤣🤣
Suggesting that he may have dementia because he is at an age where 1 in 6 have dementia and he has just exhibited a very common symptom of dementia is not excusing child abuse.

pickledandpuzzled · 10/04/2023 20:35

Enforced celibacy, no.

Dementia can cause people to act out sexually when it is inappropriate, including around children. I wouldn't call that pedophilia, I'd call it dementia.

Whatever you call it, children need to be protected from it.

beatrice14 · 10/04/2023 20:32

Is it really true that dementia or enforced celibacy could turn someone into a paedophile? If true that's horrible..

ananass · 10/04/2023 20:27

Burgoo · 10/04/2023 19:35

I don't believe Mr Lama is some massive paedo and I do think that he has made a real blunder with this. I suspect he did it in a light-hearted way but completely misjudged the whole situation. He has form for having these types of jokes with well-wishers and is generally (from what I have read over the years) a rather jovial, free-spirited type.

I am not even going to say this is abusive. He seems to have thought it was a fairly innocent thing to do - otherwise why do it in front of many cameras and people?

Extremely inappropriate? Definitely.

Abusive and paedophilic? I don't see it.
Lets not jump on the "OMG ABUSER!!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!" narrative. It's not helpful.

It is interesting how he may well have not even seen anything sexualised in the exchange and it is the public who make connotations with sex in the instance.

I am not even going to say this is abusive. He seems to have thought it was a fairly innocent thing to do - otherwise why do it in front of many cameras and people?

That’s what they said about Jimmy Savile whilst he was assaulting girls live on TOTP

*DISTURBING* Footage shows Jimmy Savile sexually assaulting a young girl on live TV

SHOCKING footage has emerged of British television icon Jimmy Savile assaulting a young woman live on air, she is said to be one of 300 victims abused by the...

https://youtu.be/NxSnQ6K4guA

CordyLines · 10/04/2023 20:18

I get a feeling that this disgraceful spectacle will not be news for long. Powerful men surround him and he is power personified himself.

isadoradancing123 · 10/04/2023 20:16

I hate people who make excuses, maybe a brain tumour, maybe onset dementia, maybe this, that or the other. Stop , there is no excuse, for this behaviour, and he should step down immediately. Apologising means absolutely nothing.

AnorLondo · 10/04/2023 20:12

GingerbreadBaking · 10/04/2023 19:55

People can worship all sorts and make God's of even themselves.

Whatever you say. Not convinced brownie leaders think of themselves as Gods though.

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