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Dalai llama ask a child to suck his tongue

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Mooshamoo · 10/04/2023 12:49

Has anyone seen the new video of the Dalai Llama asking a child to suck his tongue. Yes. It sounds bizarre. But it is in the news right now. The video is out there. And the dalai llama is apologising on social media now

Im devastated! I went to see the Dalai Llama in India. He gave a speech on accepting and loving everyone, and that it didn't matter what religion we are. I always told people that it was one of the highlights of my life.

I went through life thinking he was a good person, that he was one of the good ones. To see this today, makes me think oh no is he yet another abuser.

Some people have remarked about this video that sticking your tongue out at someone is a greeting in Tibet.

However - the Dalai Llama kisses the child on the lips in the video, and asks the child to suck his tongue. It does not look right at all.

He has apologised on twitter now.

What do you all think?

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yokuscrocus · 11/04/2023 18:17

I watched my grandfather be erased by dementia and it included inappropriate sexual behaviour. He was only 76 when he died. It is like seeing someone be possessed, it’s not them. It not who they are or have ever been. I’ve seen the MRIs that show it is brain damageI watched my grandfather be erased by dementia and it included inappropriate sexual behaviour. He was only 76 when he died. It is like seeing someone be possessed, it’s not them. It not who they are or have ever been. I’ve seen the MRIs that show it is brain damage

This is exactly what I mean. Alzheimers and all progress dementia is a form of constantly growing brain damage. To the people saying 'oh well maybe the people who had sexual aggression latently in them and it emerges', that's not what is going on when dementia advances. It's not like getting a bit drunk and your true personality coming out. It is fundamental brain damage and brain changes.

Unfortunately, I've seen too much of this very sadly. A charming kind church going woman who lived a life of politeness and public service became an aggressive and violent harpy who swore in the most filthy terms. Part of what makes this so upsetting if it's someone you know is that you know there 'well self' would be disgusted and repelled by what they have become. Can you imagine how distressing it is to have had a close and loving relationship with a father who was decent, kind and happily married for 60 years to suddenly starts trying to grope an adult daughter because he thinks it is his new mistress or his dead wife?

When you see this happen at close quarters, it makes you realise that a lot of what we judge as morality is just brain chemistry and how the brain works.

It is agonising and tragic and really I hope no one on this thread who has not experienced this as a carer or a relative ever has to because it will destroy you.

A little bit of open mindedness and empathy and actually acknowleging a possiblity here wouldn't go a miss.

Personally, I'd stake everything I own on a bet that he has dementia and either this will emerge in due course or he will totally disappear until he dies as a massive effort is undertaken to conceal his health for his privacy reasons and fears about damage to the religion due to the impact on a lack of real leader/reincarnation philosphy.

Sudeko · 11/04/2023 18:16

Massive projecting going on by certain posters who have diagnosed somebody based on thin air.

L3ThirtySeven · 11/04/2023 18:11

onirgellep · 11/04/2023 18:10

You know that the Dalai Lama has been living in exile in India since 1959?

Major diplomatic incident if China interfered

Or more than usual at least

Yeah, I mean I just posted where he lives and upthread it was discussed how he lives in exile in India and has no political power, owns no property, has no wealth, commands no armed men..etc.,

bamboowarrior · 11/04/2023 18:10

Whatever is happening the people around him ate not up to the job.....
many are on camera laughing rather than telling him to STOP

L3ThirtySeven · 11/04/2023 18:10

CordyLines · 11/04/2023 18:06

Who would arrest him or tell him to get the heck out of Dodge and stay out, the Chinese? I doubt any of his followers or fellow countrymen/women would.

That is power isn't it?

What would the Chinese be doing in India?

onirgellep · 11/04/2023 18:10

CordyLines · 11/04/2023 18:06

Who would arrest him or tell him to get the heck out of Dodge and stay out, the Chinese? I doubt any of his followers or fellow countrymen/women would.

That is power isn't it?

You know that the Dalai Lama has been living in exile in India since 1959?

Major diplomatic incident if China interfered

Or more than usual at least

GingerbreadBaking · 11/04/2023 18:08

CordyLines · 11/04/2023 18:06

Who would arrest him or tell him to get the heck out of Dodge and stay out, the Chinese? I doubt any of his followers or fellow countrymen/women would.

That is power isn't it?

I wouldn't be surprised if the C CP have undercover agents around the DL.

CordyLines · 11/04/2023 18:06

Who would arrest him or tell him to get the heck out of Dodge and stay out, the Chinese? I doubt any of his followers or fellow countrymen/women would.

That is power isn't it?

L3ThirtySeven · 11/04/2023 18:05

“You can tell that the people who are dismissing dementia as a very likely possibility here have never seen it close up happen to someone they love.”

That is my impression too. I watched my grandfather be erased by dementia and it included inappropriate sexual behaviour. He was only 76 when he died. It is like seeing someone be possessed, it’s not them. It not who they are or have ever been. I’ve seen the MRIs that show it is brain damage. My mum would notice the change in him when he went from lucid to not lucid and would say “the lights on…” to warn me. As in “the lights on but no one is at home.”

GingerbreadBaking · 11/04/2023 17:59

https://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/intv-2016-01-27-e

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/39388/archbishop-mccarricks-unofficial-role-in-vatican-china-relations

Before he was defrocked for his orgies with men who didn't always consent in seminaries.

The priests can't tell who said what in confession, they do discuss generally what is said and tell people about patterns and about their misbehaving fellow clergy.

Alice von Hildebrand: Bella Dodd—The Communist Infiltration of the Catholic Church

https://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/intv-2016-01-27-e

L3ThirtySeven · 11/04/2023 17:58

Sudeko · 11/04/2023 17:03

You're not a born statistician are you? 😂

More of one than you who forms opinions based on “vibes” and “what my friend in the police says”.

L3ThirtySeven · 11/04/2023 17:56

GatoradeMeBitch · 11/04/2023 16:46

The Dalai Lama lives in a large temple complex at Mcleodganj in the state of Himachal Pradesh. It is all adult male monks. He does not see visitors already due to his advanced age. So retiring from public life would be good enough as he’s only near children during public events as it is. It’s your ignorance as to how the Dalai Lama lives that is on display here.

Men of extreme power tend to get access to whatever they want.

🤣 Well obviously he WANTS to live an a child free/adult only temple compound and take no visitors if we are going to apply your logic. Hardly the actions of a pervert lusting after children.

Certainly not at all like Michael Jackson who built a fun park on the grounds of his mansion for children to come to for free while he slithered about choosing which little boys to invite to special sleepovers in his giant “we all sleep together” bed.

yokuscrocus · 11/04/2023 17:55

I agree with other posters saying this is almost certainly a sign of dementia. I mean just stop and SERIOUSLY THINK ABOUT IT for a second - this is a really strange and perculiar thing for an adult man to do in public- it would be quite a weird request in private for that matter even between consenting adults. It is very odd. How likely do you think it would be for someone who is a religious leader who is in his right mind but just happens to be a concealed paedophile to make that request publicly? No one rational would.

Either it's his first obvious presentation or (because of the difficulties around the implications of reincarnation which is a central belief of buddhism - so it's not just like retiring a Pope because he is the Dalai Llame until he dies and is reincarnated in new born baby) those around him who are either aware or have suspected, have worked to conceal it. Personally I think the latter is far more likely as I genuinely doubt something that extreme would be a first hint but it is possible.

I don't know why so many people on here are dismissing this in such aggressive terms. Like I said, just stop and think about it. Assume for the sake of argument this is a sexual abuser, rational people do know that it illegal and it should be concealed because you know - it's an arrestable offence, a crime.

He is 87. Many people on here will tell you they have relatives who did not show symptoms until they were late 80s. Caring for someone who has dementia is heartbreaking and horrific because they aren't who they were. The people aggressively attacking this suggestion should go and read some of the threads on this site or on the Alzheimer's society - daughters of good kind decent men who as their dementia advances start to believe their daughters are women they are having affairs with, grandfathers who mistake teenage grand daughters for their dead wives.

It is truely, truely traumatic to witness this happen in a person that you care for and love as you see them disappear before you. You can tell that the people who are dismissing dementia as a very likely possibility here have never seen it close up happen to someone they love.

The people surrounding him have a hell of a lot to answer for, for putting out that statement. They've made a huge mistake but maybe they just don't want to face up to or reveal publicly his medical situation because of the consequences for the religion and thought they'd have a go at fronting it out.

GingerbreadBaking · 11/04/2023 17:48

Gigantasaurus · 11/04/2023 17:43

I believe there has been a great deal of discussion around the Catholic church reformint the seminaries since their abuse scandal. There is significant compelling evidence to show the young priests psychosexual development is stunted in that environment and changes their perception of normal behaviour. Perhaps Buddhism needs to do likewise with its monestaries.

From what I understand there are two types of seminaries in the Catholic Church and becoming a Jeusuit is avoided by those who tell on the others.

bamboowarrior · 11/04/2023 17:46

Yes agreed... we need to shine light into these monadlsteries and protect the young boys who join monastic life very young, very far from their [mostly poor] families,

Gigantasaurus · 11/04/2023 17:43

I believe there has been a great deal of discussion around the Catholic church reformint the seminaries since their abuse scandal. There is significant compelling evidence to show the young priests psychosexual development is stunted in that environment and changes their perception of normal behaviour. Perhaps Buddhism needs to do likewise with its monestaries.

bamboowarrior · 11/04/2023 17:41

The guru is dead

So many gurus are totally messed up

The hunan condition is out of control

We gotta be our own light ....

Be a light unto ourselves

bamboowarrior · 11/04/2023 17:40

I have photographs of HHDL in my home // many books everywhere.... gently taking them down....

Am absolutely heartbroken and horrified 💔💔💔

bamboowarrior · 11/04/2023 17:38

I had beautiful memories of meeting HhDL amd attending teachings in India and UK - was very special person with great insights however this shows some perception/ understanding / has completely changed or maybe was always present but hidden ..other stories circulating about tibetan Buddhism and monastic behaviours being hidden away

Sudeko · 11/04/2023 17:38

I have encountered perverts as part of my job. There is a particular vibe which they all give off and he definitely gives off that vibe I'm afraid. I accept that there are all sorts of reasons for why men become perverts but the end result is equally damaging for the victim regardless. Yes, he may be a perv because of x,y,z but make no mistake, still a perv. End of.

bamboowarrior · 11/04/2023 17:35

ananass · 11/04/2023 17:34

He needs to be cautioned by the police so it’s officially on the record.

An ordinary man would be charged with inappropriate sexual behaviour to a minor.

His status should not let him off.

Yes agreed this too absolutely 💯 x

bamboowarrior · 11/04/2023 17:35

I listened to a podcast recently and felt HHDL behaved inappropriately with a young woman- can't quite remember context but the idea of possible dementia came up for me ...

His aides need to step up and speak truth to power.

ananass · 11/04/2023 17:34

bamboowarrior · 11/04/2023 17:31

Absolutely heartbroken to see this video 💔💔💔

He needs to step back ..retire..disappear

He needs to be cautioned by the police so it’s officially on the record.

An ordinary man would be charged with inappropriate sexual behaviour to a minor.

His status should not let him off.

bamboowarrior · 11/04/2023 17:33

GatoradeMeBitch · 11/04/2023 16:36

I wonder if his advisors understand how badly his brand has just been damaged. "Tee hee the silly Dalai Lama is so jokes" doesn't work when he's been caught on camera gripping a small child and telling them to suck on his tongue. But he has been on camera frequently for decades and nothing like this has happened before...

So either he's developing dementia which is entirely possible at his age, or he is so used to having his "tendencies" indulged and normalized by the people who fawn over him that's he's lost all sense of needing to hide it in public.

💔💔💔💔💔💔💔

bamboowarrior · 11/04/2023 17:31

Absolutely heartbroken to see this video 💔💔💔

He needs to step back ..retire..disappear