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Who was PM during the best of times for you?

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verdantverdure · 29/03/2023 22:44

Me?

Blair. Brown, first bit of Cameron.

On paper I earn more money now but everything's tits up isn't it? From the economy to shit on beaches to being able to get access to the NHS when needed.

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Hotvimto3 · 30/03/2023 17:37

ClareBlue · 29/03/2023 22:58

All those saying Blair were presumably not sent to kill and bomb innocent people in an illegal war. But, hey, everything good and fun at home so who cares.

Everyone saying cameron was ok to introduce and fire ahead brexit, approve shit loads of environmentaly damaging proceedires, ans significant loss/privatisation of nhs not forget the deaths of poor and disabled people from cuts and epic dismantling of public services. But hey if people chose to go to war for a government they shouldnt trust who cares

Blossomtoes · 30/03/2023 17:36

MarshaBradyo · 30/03/2023 17:25

He’s only in front of privileges committee for one entry - the party statement.

Voting to go to war on a faked dossier is huge.

There was an enquiry so it was scrutinised but for some reason no privilege committee and consequences personally for Blair.

People were pissed off then too, there were protests so it’s not like the public were ok with it all.

There was no privilege committee because the leader of the opposition openly and explicitly told parliament he’d have done exactly the same thing.

Hotvimto3 · 30/03/2023 17:32

Tony blair

ChangedmynameagainforChristmas · 30/03/2023 17:29

This touched a nerve and it was Thatcher for me also
@Babdoc🌻

Margaret Thatcher. I was a young doctor, bought my own detached house on a v affordable mortgage, travelled abroad for the first time, DH was still alive, and the future looked great. Little did I know I was going to be widowed young with two babies and face 30 years of grieving. Sigh.

MarshaBradyo · 30/03/2023 17:25

Neededanewuserhandle · 30/03/2023 17:19

The will to hold Boris to account was greater - even from some on his own side. As others have pointed out, there was cross party support for regime change.
Iraq had one dodgy dossier. Boris has just continually lied, lied and lied some more - he has shown contempt for Parliament and the Queen. His behaviour has been far worse then Blair ever was, and times are different. Boris was unlucky not to have Iraq or the Falklands to distract people from his many lies and his utter contempt for us.

He’s only in front of privileges committee for one entry - the party statement.

Voting to go to war on a faked dossier is huge.

There was an enquiry so it was scrutinised but for some reason no privilege committee and consequences personally for Blair.

People were pissed off then too, there were protests so it’s not like the public were ok with it all.

Blossomtoes · 30/03/2023 17:21

Boris was unlucky not to have Iraq or the Falklands to distract people from his many lies and his utter contempt for us.

Wasn’t he just? He did try with his frequent visits to Ukraine though.

Neededanewuserhandle · 30/03/2023 17:19

MarshaBradyo · 30/03/2023 17:12

MPs voted as they did as a result of the faked dossier

I don’t see how voting pattern is a major factor. They were misled too.

How they voted on the back of it isn’t very relevant. You either face repercussions of misleading parliament or not.

There was an enquiry but I don’t recall Blair facing consequences.

Why does how they voted stop proper process?

The will to hold Boris to account was greater - even from some on his own side. As others have pointed out, there was cross party support for regime change.
Iraq had one dodgy dossier. Boris has just continually lied, lied and lied some more - he has shown contempt for Parliament and the Queen. His behaviour has been far worse then Blair ever was, and times are different. Boris was unlucky not to have Iraq or the Falklands to distract people from his many lies and his utter contempt for us.

Notonthestairs · 30/03/2023 17:19

I dont think I agreed he was nice, nobody becomes party leader by being nice - I agreed he'd be considered left wing by the current crop of Conservatives.

But yes you are absolutely right to say that I had forgotten about the heating allowance.

KStockHERO · 30/03/2023 17:17

BoJo.

Me and DP both promoted at work. House paid off. House renovations finished. DP started a business.

I joined a new gym and absolutely loved it.

Never felt so happy and secure about basically everything in life.

I thoroughly enjoyed the government's decision to put us all under house arrest for 2020 as well. Me, DP and the dog spent nearly two years at home together, put work on the back burner and really made the most of time together. Bliss.

Blossomtoes · 30/03/2023 17:15

MarshaBradyo · 30/03/2023 17:12

MPs voted as they did as a result of the faked dossier

I don’t see how voting pattern is a major factor. They were misled too.

How they voted on the back of it isn’t very relevant. You either face repercussions of misleading parliament or not.

There was an enquiry but I don’t recall Blair facing consequences.

Why does how they voted stop proper process?

The Tories were whipped to vote for the war and Howard said after the event that he’d still have voted for it on the basis of regime change.

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/howard-under-fire-over-iraq-7247839.html

Howard under fire over Iraq

Michael Howard was put on the defensive over Iraq today after saying he would have gone to war even if Saddam Hussein had no weapons arsenal.

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/howard-under-fire-over-iraq-7247839.html

Neededanewuserhandle · 30/03/2023 17:14

Notonthestairs · 30/03/2023 16:58

"Tbh, Major would be considered left wing by today’s Tories."
Agree with that.

Not in 1987 when the bastard prevented old people getting £5 for extra heating in the extremely cold winter.
He was so "left wing" that Thatcher stepped in and overruled him. She was hardly a leftie but she could see how bad it looked when the pensioners were freezing to death.
People have very short memories. Major didn't get to be boss of the Tories by being nice, leftie or even decent, he's a ruthless as the rest of them.

MarshaBradyo · 30/03/2023 17:12

Neededanewuserhandle · 30/03/2023 17:06

I pointed out what was different but you just ignored that.

MPs voted as they did as a result of the faked dossier

I don’t see how voting pattern is a major factor. They were misled too.

How they voted on the back of it isn’t very relevant. You either face repercussions of misleading parliament or not.

There was an enquiry but I don’t recall Blair facing consequences.

Why does how they voted stop proper process?

Neededanewuserhandle · 30/03/2023 17:06

MarshaBradyo · 30/03/2023 12:35

I mean the privileges committee specifically, which is cross party and investigating whether Johnson knowingly misled parliament.

A faked dossier which led to war seems pretty up there in terms of lies. Where was the committee, and televisation of Blair’s scrutiny?

Are we able to keep politicians in check and take it seriously now but not then, if so I’m wondering what has changed

I pointed out what was different but you just ignored that.

Blossomtoes · 30/03/2023 16:58

My experience of Blair’s legacy was the dismantling of the NHS and the start of privatisation.

The evidence doesn’t support that. Thatcher started privatisation in the NHS and Blair continued the Tory PPI policy. The improvement in healthcare was marked in that 13 year period.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/sites/default/files/summary-high-performing-nhs-progress-review-1997-2010-ruth-thorlby-jo-maybin-kings-fund-april-2010_0.pdf

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/sites/default/files/summary-high-performing-nhs-progress-review-1997-2010-ruth-thorlby-jo-maybin-kings-fund-april-2010_0.pdf

Notonthestairs · 30/03/2023 16:58

"Tbh, Major would be considered left wing by today’s Tories."
Agree with that.

HuggingtheHRT · 30/03/2023 16:55

Tony Blair. It's weird liking back on it but it really did feel like a brand new world when he first got elected.

sleepismyhobby · 30/03/2023 16:53

Tony Blair without a doubt without him I was working for peanuts . He brought in the minimum wage

MrsMurphyIWish · 30/03/2023 16:47

I agree Major/Blair. Major was an under rated PM and I’m a socialist. Tbh, Major would be considered left wing by today’s Tories.

WestwardHo1 · 30/03/2023 16:45

I said Major/Blair not Major/Cameron!

WestwardHo1 · 30/03/2023 16:45

Would actually be a good idea if people gave an idea of their age and family circumstances on this thread. I'm nearly 48, divorced, no kids and said Major/Cameron.

Giving an idea of their wealth and background would be even more illuminating, but a lot of posters wouldn't want to do that, me included.

mrsnjw · 30/03/2023 16:39

Blair. I remember the song things can only get better playing when he got in. In my twenties and teaching in London. Life was good and we had sure start!

MarshaBradyo · 30/03/2023 16:23

People were pretty pissed off at end of Blair years, hence protests over war. Then deep recession was painful, especially in private sector.

re media I’d say they’ve been fairly critical for last for years of current government so we’ll see if that continues. Labour have used press in past, eg Blair and that front cover

verdantverdure · 30/03/2023 16:21

winningeasy · 30/03/2023 15:40

@Lastnamedidntstick what legacy will the Tory's leave behind? Blair did a lot for public services whereas every single one is in the gutter right now.

This government will be remembered as fascists and self serving crooks.

Don't forget

Profiteering from a pandemic.
So much was slow or badly done because they ignored established or public suppliers and providers in favour of getting kick backs from their mates getting paid waaay over the odds for substandard old shite.

And

One of the highest death tolls from covid 19 in Europe per capita combined with one of the biggest economic hits because our covid policy was batshit plus we have Brexit to make everything worse.

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Lastnamedidntstick · 30/03/2023 16:14

winningeasy · 30/03/2023 15:40

@Lastnamedidntstick what legacy will the Tory's leave behind? Blair did a lot for public services whereas every single one is in the gutter right now.

This government will be remembered as fascists and self serving crooks.

My experience of Blair’s legacy was the dismantling of the NHS and the start of privatisation. 🤷‍♀️.

i’m not saying the current government isn’t a shitshow, but I wouldn’t go back to Blair and his sparking smile in front of the cameras while doing PFI deals in private.

i don’t think any of our political parties have the public’s best interest at heart, or ever have for that matter. They’re all in it for their own gain, and I include Blair in that.

like I said, I’ll probably vote for whichever local candidate I feel will be our best representative, because none of the parties have my confidence.

MajorCarolDanvers · 30/03/2023 16:14

winningeasy · 30/03/2023 13:50

Can this thread be a reminder not to vote Tory please?

If Labour can remember not to elect nutters like Corbyn as their leader.