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To wonder how I approach my neighbour about her nude son

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Meanswell · 26/03/2023 22:14

So i feel quite awkward in posting this but i am wondering the best approach as I don’t want to upset anyone but i need to protect my child.

A neighbour who lives near me has a teenage son with non verbal autism. He sometimes like to stand outside the front of the houses. Today my daughter was taking the dog out for a walk. He was outside naked with everything on display. My daughter stood in one spot and he kind of ran towards her. She came straight back in and locked the doo. I genuinely don’t think he meant anything by it but he was left alone for a couple of minutes.

I genuinely don’t want to upset his mum and I know he doesn’t understand why he cannot do that. My daughter feels quite shocked and said she will never go out the front again. I am now worried if he acts inappropriately again, how do I approach this situation gently.

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x2boys · 27/03/2023 12:45

Aerielview · 27/03/2023 10:45

Oh for goodness sake. To everyone posting saying talk to his mum in way that expresses concern for his safety; that something could happen to him or someone could hurt him -NO!!!!

This boy's safety is not the op's concern so do not guilt trip her into feeling that it somehow should be, or that she should bring it up with his mum. To do so would downplay and minimise how this has affected the young girl at the centre of all this.
No girl or woman should be expected to be tolerant of a naked teenage boy running towards them, regardless if he's autistic or not.

Forget the 'be nice, be tolerant' brigade, op. Your daughter and her safety come first here. If you chose not to inform the police, I would let his mum know that if it happens again you will. And yes, I would press charges if it happened again, if it were my daughter.

There have been a few replies on this thread from women who have been sexually assaulted by people who were autistic or had intellectual disabilities. These poor women were told to be kind and understanding, that the perpetrator didn't understand what they were doing. One of these women said her brother used to do the same as this boy did on this occasion, and he went on to sexually abuse her.
If only someone had spoken up for and protected these young girls at the time, their stories might have turned out very differently.

You're doing right in speaking up and standing up for your daughter, op. Don't let anyone downplay what happened.
Best wishes to you.

You would press charges would you ?
how do.you propose you would do.that when it isn't your decision,to make??
it would be up.to.the Crown prosecution service to press charges not YOU,and trust me they wiol.not be be pressing charges on a severely disabled teen who by all accounts doesn't have the capacity to.understand his actions ,🙄

whumpthereitis · 27/03/2023 12:34

Crazycrazylady · 27/03/2023 11:34

Ok fi think it's no hard to speak to the mum and let her know what happened, from your post it sounds like it was a one off and not a regular occurrence ? He may have slipped out unknownst to her .

She should absolutely be made aware of it so she can keep a close eye ! Have a conversation with him .

But to the posters who immediately advocating calling the policeHmm. What would that achieve expect put an already stressed woman under more pressure And waste police time, do you really think they would charge a seriously disabled boy after a one off incident?

Of course it shouldn't have happened but the lack of empathy from some people on this thread has genuinely shocked me .

The mother being stressed is irrelevant in regards to this. The mother being stressed is not justification for downplaying the risk this behavior poses and brushing it under the carpet. The mother being stressed is not of greater concern than the safety of OP’s daughter, the boy himself, and anyone else around him that may be at risk.

TrashyPanda · 27/03/2023 12:30

Obviously you're protecting your daughter BUT she is 13, an excellent age to explain to her about LD

she is an excellent age to be told:
did the right thing by removing herself from the situation
that it is NEVER acceptable for any man to expose his genitals in the street
about setting boundaries, not just accepting situations she doesn’t feel comfortable with.

women of all ages are abused by men in various ways and sadly we have to teach our daughters about this and how they can live their lives safely. That is always going to be any mothers first concern.

no woman should be subjected to a male flashing her. It’s especially bad for a 13 year old.

TrashyPanda · 27/03/2023 12:17

Mum23amazingkids · 27/03/2023 09:50

You be known hundreds of teen autistic boys over the years and I’m yet to meet a 16 year old non verbal autistic teen that expresses sexually this way . So the probabilities are extremely small

My niece and nephew (aged 5 and 6) were sexually assaulted by their teenaged foster brother who had autism

it happens.

no matter how hard you try to deny it, it happens.

JuvenileEmu · 27/03/2023 12:17

There are some weird posts on here. Of course an autistic teenager will have sexual urges- he has the same raging hormones as any teenage boy. Not understanding social mores around respecting other peoples boundaries doesn't make him less dangerous ffs. And telling the daughter she isn't in any danger and shouldn't feel scared? She potentially could be in danger, and she should not be getting given the message that being frightened by men's inappropriate behaviour is something she should overcome and be compassionate about.

While I know this is a rare case, a few years ago, very near me there was a rape and murder of a young girl by a teenage boy, who were both residents in a group home for young people with autism. I don't know how to do links, but if anyone is interested, you can google the murder of Melissa Mathieson by Jason Conroy.

TrashyPanda · 27/03/2023 11:54

This is a time for compassion and understanding

And also explaining to the daughter that not EVERYONE has a brain that works normally

Don't recall who said it, but a society should be judged by how it treats thr most vulnerable

A 13 year old girl is very vulnerable when faced with an older, naked boy

where is your compassion and understanding for her?

she did the right thing by getting herself to a place of safety.

when faced with a male exposing himself, women need to think of their own safety and nothing else. Always.

CalistoNoSolo · 27/03/2023 11:51

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 27/03/2023 11:36

This person sounds as if has pretty severe learning disabilities... It doesn't sound if he has enough ability to realise that re social appropriateness /boundaries...

Its a body, there was no contact. It sounds as there was zero intentionality by the naked person.

This is a time for compassion and understanding...

And also explaining to the daughter that not EVERYONE has a brain that works normally.

Don't recall who said it, but a society should be judged by how it treats thr most vulnerable...

My priority will always be my daughter's safety and well-being. A naked male chasing and scaring a female of any age is never OK, no matter where on the spectrum the male is.

Hadalifeonce · 27/03/2023 11:50

You should speak to the mother in a 'I'm not sure you are aware, but your son has been standing naked outside the house, and it has really upset my daughter. I know it's not easy, but for his own safety, I thought I would mention it to you.' kind of way.
My brother has learning difficulties, and likes to be naked, our mother used to stop him answering the door like it. But since she died and he is living on his own, we have had to really be strict on telling him he can't do it, we have told him that if he answered the door naked, someone might complain to the police, he can't answer the door or be outside naked. He still stays naked inside, but puts on shorts to answer the door.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 27/03/2023 11:40

Meanswell · 26/03/2023 22:27

She does understand autism however this isnt behaviour we have seen before. He is 16.

Also no we all dont walk around naked, however i’m her mother. She would not be concerned or scared if she saw me naked just probably a bit grossed out. This is unfair to say she is being dramatic. She is a young child.

Obviously you're protecting your daughter BUT she is 13, an excellent age to explain to her about LD

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 27/03/2023 11:36

CalistoNoSolo · 26/03/2023 22:21

I think you're being way more understanding than I would be if that had happened to my daughter. Or me tbh.

This person sounds as if has pretty severe learning disabilities... It doesn't sound if he has enough ability to realise that re social appropriateness /boundaries...

Its a body, there was no contact. It sounds as there was zero intentionality by the naked person.

This is a time for compassion and understanding...

And also explaining to the daughter that not EVERYONE has a brain that works normally.

Don't recall who said it, but a society should be judged by how it treats thr most vulnerable...

Crazycrazylady · 27/03/2023 11:34

Ok fi think it's no hard to speak to the mum and let her know what happened, from your post it sounds like it was a one off and not a regular occurrence ? He may have slipped out unknownst to her .

She should absolutely be made aware of it so she can keep a close eye ! Have a conversation with him .

But to the posters who immediately advocating calling the policeHmm. What would that achieve expect put an already stressed woman under more pressure And waste police time, do you really think they would charge a seriously disabled boy after a one off incident?

Of course it shouldn't have happened but the lack of empathy from some people on this thread has genuinely shocked me .

Madamecastafiore · 27/03/2023 11:31

Molester or not, we should not be exposed to male genitalia anywhere unless we consent to it. I say again we are having to scream about it on a daily basis, keep penises out of our spaces but oh, oh no it's ok, he's autistic, he gets to wangle it about with a free pass.

He doesn't, it is inappropriate regardless of his disability.

whumpthereitis · 27/03/2023 11:23

Mum23amazingkids · 27/03/2023 11:14

I think you failed to comprehend my reply . The reports often suggest a higher incidence because children with disabilities are also more often victim of abuse . That’s what I meant and in this case no it’s nit often as easy as blaming either .

No, I understood your reply perfectly. You deflected onto a separate issue, as if higher incidence of being a victim and higher incidence of being a perpetrator cannot both be true.

oh, and in regards to this:
“Stop dramatising things to suit your agenda ! If you see my original post I tell her to go and speak with the mum . I just don’t think people should start screaming this boy is a molester .”

What fucking agenda? Safeguarding? As opposed to your ‘brush it under the carpet, there’s no way he meant it like that, his mother is stressed and therefore everyone should just accept alarming behaviour’ one?

no one has said he is a predator. What has been said is that it shouldn’t be discounted as a possibility. It IS a possibility, whether you care to accept it or not. Either way it’s behavior that needs addressing to prevent harm coming to him and those around around him. Op’s daughter ran away, someone else could very well turn around and kick his head in, regardless of whether his actions are sexually motivated or not.

LaviniasBigBloomers · 27/03/2023 11:15

We really see this differently @Mum23amazingkids

There is no need for me to dramatise anything. A young girl has been flashed by her neighbour. That's dramatic enough.

Mum23amazingkids · 27/03/2023 11:14

whumpthereitis · 27/03/2023 10:58

And that what? Negates the evidence that there is a higher likelihood of their committing them? Bollocks does it. It’s a not a binary choice between victim and perpetrator, and being the former does not prevent someone for being the latter, and nor does it excuse it.

Your complete dismissal of those that have been ‘the wrong type’ of victim is fucking gross. A perpetrator being autistic does not mean the impact on the victim is lessened, or that they’re not in fact victims.

I think you failed to comprehend my reply . The reports often suggest a higher incidence because children with disabilities are also more often victim of abuse . That’s what I meant and in this case no it’s nit often as easy as blaming either .

Mum23amazingkids · 27/03/2023 11:11

LaviniasBigBloomers · 27/03/2023 11:05

Brilliant - OP, just tell your frightened kid that @Mum23amazingkids has met hundreds of teens with autism and none of them express their sexual feelings this way, so she really should stop moaning and get on with it.

Talk about victim blaming.

Stop dramatising things to suit your agenda ! If you see my original post I tell her to go and speak with the mum . I just don’t think people should start screaming this boy is a molester . He is a vulnerable child just as the op daughter . Nothing in what I said diminishes the hat the girls felt like or behaved .

skilikeagirl · 27/03/2023 11:10

@Wanderingowl your post is absolutely spot on, simply don't see how anyone could think otherwise in this situation.

BadNomad · 27/03/2023 11:08

FrostyFifi · 27/03/2023 10:54

Can people stop saying "learning difficulties" when they mean "a learning disability". They are very different things.

I used the term in my post. I'm a bit surprised that that is what stood out to you given the seriousness of the event I discussed.

I was a child myself and not privy to exact diagosis, it was the 1980s and he was described as rd if you must know.

I wasn't talking about you. Many, many people have said it in this thread. It is an important distinction to make. A learning difficulty is something like dyslexia, dyspraxia, ADHD. I'm pretty sure people aren't trying to say someone was attacked by a man with something like dyslexia. And I imagine people with learning difficulties don't want people to think sexual assault is common with ND.

LaviniasBigBloomers · 27/03/2023 11:05

Brilliant - OP, just tell your frightened kid that @Mum23amazingkids has met hundreds of teens with autism and none of them express their sexual feelings this way, so she really should stop moaning and get on with it.

Talk about victim blaming.

Wanderingowl · 27/03/2023 11:02

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Do you think that people with autism never get sexual urges? He's an older male teen. Odds are he has hormones surging through him that he can't understand. It's not protective of him or of girls like the OP's daughter to pretend this hasn't happened. For his sake alone, his carer needs to be made aware so that she can ensure this never happens again. I've worked with young men like that in the OP and they can be deeply inappropriate in terms of sexual boundaries. It isn't their fault, but when people around them don't take it seriously because they don't understand what they are doing, it is theirs. He either needs to be taught not to behave this way or prevented from doing it, because he is a danger to himself and others right now.

whumpthereitis · 27/03/2023 10:58

Mum23amazingkids · 27/03/2023 10:45

Still doesn’t make it common 🙄. And the higher stats are children and adults with disabilities being abused more often too because they are more vulnerable

And that what? Negates the evidence that there is a higher likelihood of their committing them? Bollocks does it. It’s a not a binary choice between victim and perpetrator, and being the former does not prevent someone for being the latter, and nor does it excuse it.

Your complete dismissal of those that have been ‘the wrong type’ of victim is fucking gross. A perpetrator being autistic does not mean the impact on the victim is lessened, or that they’re not in fact victims.

CockPits · 27/03/2023 10:54

I’ve seen a number of “predator exposure” videos where the accused is autistic. So to those saying his motives were definitely not sexual, you don’t know this.

I say this as an autistic woman myself with an autistic son. They might not have been sexual, but they might well have been.

FrostyFifi · 27/03/2023 10:54

*r-word that should say.

FrostyFifi · 27/03/2023 10:54

Can people stop saying "learning difficulties" when they mean "a learning disability". They are very different things.

I used the term in my post. I'm a bit surprised that that is what stood out to you given the seriousness of the event I discussed.

I was a child myself and not privy to exact diagosis, it was the 1980s and he was described as rd if you must know.

IsaiditwasLighthearted · 27/03/2023 10:49

Avarua2 · 27/03/2023 01:06

Crime, fgs . This is a kid and a mum with challenges you will NEVER understand.

I do have understanding of severe autism. It's still NOT acceptable to put other people in fear and alarm like the OPs DD.