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To wonder how I approach my neighbour about her nude son

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Meanswell · 26/03/2023 22:14

So i feel quite awkward in posting this but i am wondering the best approach as I don’t want to upset anyone but i need to protect my child.

A neighbour who lives near me has a teenage son with non verbal autism. He sometimes like to stand outside the front of the houses. Today my daughter was taking the dog out for a walk. He was outside naked with everything on display. My daughter stood in one spot and he kind of ran towards her. She came straight back in and locked the doo. I genuinely don’t think he meant anything by it but he was left alone for a couple of minutes.

I genuinely don’t want to upset his mum and I know he doesn’t understand why he cannot do that. My daughter feels quite shocked and said she will never go out the front again. I am now worried if he acts inappropriately again, how do I approach this situation gently.

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IsaiditwasLighthearted · 27/03/2023 14:42

Nimbostratus100 · 27/03/2023 07:11

I dont think you should approach your neighbour at all, and if your daughter was genuinely upset, which I find weirdly oversensitive, then 5 minute sympathy, and move on

YOu are making a huge deal over a nothing.

Have you ever been flashed in public by a naked man? Confused it's a disturbing and distressing experience for anyone, never mind a young teen girl. Your dismissal of her shock and upset is ridiculous.

Aerielview · 27/03/2023 14:39

@x2boys
In such severe cases of autism as you describe, if that person committed a serious crime and was a risk to others, he would be committed to a secure unit for people with intellectual disabilities.

Do you think if a severely autistic man raped someone, or murdered someone, that he should remain free to potentially commit a similar crime again? It seems that is what you are saying.

Nikeandreebok · 27/03/2023 14:32

Whether charges are pressed or not, is not really relevant. This behavior needs to be stopped, and if that means by official channels via police, social services, then so be it. This should not be taken lightly. A 16 year old exposing his bits in public is not acceptable, no matter what his mental capacity is. Also, there is nothing wrong in saying that the parent/carer may need help. It's not a reflection on their parenting. If they can't take care of their child properly without external support, then they'll have to seek external support. End of. I'm quite astonished that some posters are telling the OP that this is the time to teach her daughter a lesson in compassion! F* that. Police or failing that social services. Your daughters health and wellbeing comes first, middle and last. Don't be guilt tripped into thinking otherwise OP.

LaviniasBigBloomers · 27/03/2023 14:30

The young person in question has committed indecent exposure. That's a crime, a real, fully fledged crime. A woman was jailed for pushing over a cyclist recently, and I'm pretty sure she didn't have the capacity to understand what she did either. Capacity is a factor, but it isn't the only issue that a court would consider - public protection is also a factor.

My creds were mentioned up thread but to re-iterate - I am the mother of a 17 yo young man with autism. And like fuck would I expect any of my young neighbours to be kind if my son had committed indecent exposure.

Ijustdontcare · 27/03/2023 14:28

x2boys · 27/03/2023 14:24

And the teen in question hasebt,sexually assaulted anyone and there is no evidence i,based on what the Op,has written he will.

Yes, he has OP'S Daughter. Indecent exposure is classified as sexual assault. I understand this is probably a bit too close to home for you, but that doesn't change the fact the boy should be reported to the Police and Social services for them to investigate and determine the correct course of action going forward.

maddening · 27/03/2023 14:26

x2boys · 27/03/2023 14:24

And the teen in question hasebt,sexually assaulted anyone and there is no evidence i,based on what the Op,has written he will.

Indecent exposure/ flashing is a form of sexual assault though.

x2boys · 27/03/2023 14:24

And the teen in question hasebt,sexually assaulted anyone and there is no evidence i,based on what the Op,has written he will.

x2boys · 27/03/2023 14:20

Aerielview · 27/03/2023 14:11

@x2boys
People with autism aren't above the law - their condition doesn't give them a free pass to indecently expose themselves to others, or to sexually assault others.
You say it's a safeguarding issue, and yes it is. While an offender may not be held fully accountable on account of an intellectual disability, he could be put on the sex offenders' register, or committed to a facility for offenders with disabilities. And rightly so - to safeguard any more girls and women from being sexually assaulted by him.

Perhaps educate yourself about the vastness of the spectrum ??
someone can have autism and have full.capacity other people can have autism and have capacity in some areas but not others and then there are the people that are so impacted by their autism that they do NOT have the capacity to understand their actions ,you keep.saying he exposed himself ,their is a huge difference between a person who deliberately expose,s themselves and knows what they are doing autism or no autism or somebody who like the teen in this scenario is naked outside for what ever reason ,my own son given half a chance would go outside naked because he has no understanding of why that's wrong
how do you imagine the authorities would be able to prosecute someone who can't speak ,can only communicate in a very basic way and has no understanding of what they have done let alone place them in the sex offender register ,this is why it's a safe guarding issue,to protect everyone.

Aerielview · 27/03/2023 14:11

@x2boys
People with autism aren't above the law - their condition doesn't give them a free pass to indecently expose themselves to others, or to sexually assault others.
You say it's a safeguarding issue, and yes it is. While an offender may not be held fully accountable on account of an intellectual disability, he could be put on the sex offenders' register, or committed to a facility for offenders with disabilities. And rightly so - to safeguard any more girls and women from being sexually assaulted by him.

dryingontheradiatior · 27/03/2023 13:51

A straight up question for anyone saying to leave it...

If a naked man ran at you in the street. Would you ring the police? Or would you stop to wonder if they had ASD?

It is highly likely you would ring the police. You would not question doing anything else. The only reason anyone is saying different is because the OP knows he is on the spectrum but if it happens again, the next person might not, and they will ring the police. OPs DD also shouldn't have to deal with it.

How the police handled the issue is up to them. As it is a safeguarding issue they will likely alert CSC and discuss with the mother as he has exposed himself to a minor, and indecent exposure is against the law. If he already has a SW then they will pick it up.

x2boys · 27/03/2023 13:36

jetHenley · 27/03/2023 13:11

I've name changed for this but want to put across another experience (multiple on this thread) of sexual assault caused by a severely autistic teen.

I was 9 years old, I was sexually assaulted by a then 17 year old autistic teenager. He had quite severe learning disabilities but was verbal. I was lead down an alleyway to get some water balloons and he took his pants down, revealed his penis and took my hand to stroke his penis. He also tried to put his penis in my mouth.

I remember it like it was yesterday, and the police were involved.

This was nearly 20 years ago and at the time he was put on the sex offenders list. His parents sold up and they moved away. His parents were in total denial, and minimised his behaviour because of his autism. Maybe if they didn't minimise his behaviour (they did it in front of him) maybe, he wouldn't have sexually assaulted a 9 year old girl.

Being autistic doesn't equate to not having sexual intentions.

If they were.able to prosecute than the perpetrator must have had capacity to understand what they did was wrong and by the sounds of their actions they clearly did,the autism spectrum is huge however and many people won't understand it's wrong to be naked outside .

x2boys · 27/03/2023 13:33

Aerielview · 27/03/2023 13:12

I don't live in the UK, and yes, where we live I would be able to press charges against a male who indecently exposed himself to my 13 year old daughter.

Where ever you live if the person doesn't have capacity to understand their actions ,what do.you imagine might happen ,remember we are talking about a severely disabled teen who is non verbsl.and has limited understanding,by all.accounts ?
This is a safe guarding issue in not condoning what's happened but most civilised countries wouldn't prosecute a severely disabled person .I would like to.think.

Aerielview · 27/03/2023 13:15

My reply was for @x2boys

Aerielview · 27/03/2023 13:12

I don't live in the UK, and yes, where we live I would be able to press charges against a male who indecently exposed himself to my 13 year old daughter.

jetHenley · 27/03/2023 13:11

I've name changed for this but want to put across another experience (multiple on this thread) of sexual assault caused by a severely autistic teen.

I was 9 years old, I was sexually assaulted by a then 17 year old autistic teenager. He had quite severe learning disabilities but was verbal. I was lead down an alleyway to get some water balloons and he took his pants down, revealed his penis and took my hand to stroke his penis. He also tried to put his penis in my mouth.

I remember it like it was yesterday, and the police were involved.

This was nearly 20 years ago and at the time he was put on the sex offenders list. His parents sold up and they moved away. His parents were in total denial, and minimised his behaviour because of his autism. Maybe if they didn't minimise his behaviour (they did it in front of him) maybe, he wouldn't have sexually assaulted a 9 year old girl.

Being autistic doesn't equate to not having sexual intentions.

x2boys · 27/03/2023 13:09

JDHC · 27/03/2023 13:05

What he has done is indecent exposure.

The lad was naked and heading towards the OPs daughter.

If he doesn't have capacity to understand his actions he still.won't be charged ,it's a safe guarding issue,not a criminal one .

Ijustdontcare · 27/03/2023 13:05

Please report to the police asap. What happens next time when it's a younger child who can't outrun him or doesn't live next door and able to get to safety.

I'm shocked by the number of people minimising this and saying he can't have sexual urges.

JDHC · 27/03/2023 13:05

Dirtydiesel · 27/03/2023 09:38

To be on the sex offenders register there needs to be a crime committed and there needs to be capacity.

What he has done is indecent exposure.

The lad was naked and heading towards the OPs daughter.

x2boys · 27/03/2023 13:01

FrostyFifi · 27/03/2023 12:57

@x2boys sorry I think you've maybe mixed my post up with a different one as I didn't really have that level of detail about the man's condition but it wasn't autism that I'm aware of anyway, it was what used to be called mental r-word is all I know.

Sorry I apologise ,I did .

FrostyFifi · 27/03/2023 12:58

@x2boys and it wasn't to me, it was in the small town where I grew up though.

FrostyFifi · 27/03/2023 12:57

@x2boys sorry I think you've maybe mixed my post up with a different one as I didn't really have that level of detail about the man's condition but it wasn't autism that I'm aware of anyway, it was what used to be called mental r-word is all I know.

x2boys · 27/03/2023 12:56

whumpthereitis · 27/03/2023 12:54

Not quite. It depends on what country the poster is in, for one. Also, there’s always the possibility of bringing a private or civil prosecution. While the boy himself may not be held liable, those with authority over him that failed to prevent him from acting could be.

Well in assuming it's the UK given its a UK site 🙄

x2boys · 27/03/2023 12:55

FrostyFifi · 27/03/2023 10:54

Can people stop saying "learning difficulties" when they mean "a learning disability". They are very different things.

I used the term in my post. I'm a bit surprised that that is what stood out to you given the seriousness of the event I discussed.

I was a child myself and not privy to exact diagosis, it was the 1980s and he was described as rd if you must know.

You also said he was fairly high functioning now I'm not condoning his actions or minimising what happened to you but learning disabilities ,can be mild ,moderate ,severe or profound ,my son has severe autism and severe learning disabilities,he has a very limited understanding of the world around them and really doesn't have the capacity to understand his actions or how they impact others ,he likes to be naked too ,I don't let him outside but he would go.outside given half the chance and he wouldn't understand why being naked was inappropriate ,his understanding is very different to someone who has mild learning disabilities,who does understand what they are doing and how their actions impact others.

whumpthereitis · 27/03/2023 12:54

x2boys · 27/03/2023 12:45

You would press charges would you ?
how do.you propose you would do.that when it isn't your decision,to make??
it would be up.to.the Crown prosecution service to press charges not YOU,and trust me they wiol.not be be pressing charges on a severely disabled teen who by all accounts doesn't have the capacity to.understand his actions ,🙄

Not quite. It depends on what country the poster is in, for one. Also, there’s always the possibility of bringing a private or civil prosecution. While the boy himself may not be held liable, those with authority over him that failed to prevent him from acting could be.

whumpthereitis · 27/03/2023 12:46

It’s fucking wild what some posters think women and girls should have to put up with in the name of ‘compassion’, ‘being kind’, and saving the mother stress.

If these posters have daughters, then hopefully said daughters never have to find themselves in the position of finding out their safety and well-being is of the least importance to their parents.