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To want to move south?

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Oohlalaaaaaa · 26/03/2023 10:31

Currently live in Central Scotland. My partner is from Dorset. We have primary school aged children with one due to start high school this year. I think we would enjoy a better quality of life down there.
I'm a bit worried my kids would be picked on and not accepted for having scottish accents or for being outsiders. Is this silly? 🤔
Also is it cruel to uproot 3 perfectly happy children, especially one at age 12 (she has strong friendships, the other 2 not so much)? Am I being selfish? I'm scared that if it goes wrong for them it will be my doing. Any advice would be appreciated.

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sendbackaletterfromamerica · 26/03/2023 14:37

I do not recognise the way you are describing Scotland - you could certainly move locally to somewhere lovely if you are in the central belt.

Dotjones · 26/03/2023 14:34

I'd say move, you don't need to worry about fitting in. In southern England people are very tolerant of others and are used to a wide variety of accents and so on. I suspect the reason for your fear is that you assume that the general nastiness shown to English accents in Scotland is reciprocated south of the border, but it's really not. The English generally don't give a toss about someone being Scottish (I don't mean that in a negative way, I just mean they'll treat you like you're just a normal human being like them.)

dottiedodah · 26/03/2023 14:31

We live in the Bournemouth Burbs! The town centre has few large shops now ,Castle point(A large shopping centre) has all the big stores including a 3 storey M and S.I love it here ,there are all the beaches (great in off season)New Forest is beautiful about a half hour drive to Burley. Schools are good too.The weather is kind to us ! Whats not to like ?

Noname77 · 26/03/2023 14:29

Ndd135632 · 26/03/2023 10:54

OP there won’t be any issue with Scottish accents down here. Not like the English accent in Scotland if that is what you are thinking.

There’s no problem with the English accent in Scotland, what do you think we are?

QuickNameChangeForMeToday · 26/03/2023 14:26

Oohlalaaaaaa · 26/03/2023 11:02

I've not spoken to the kids about it yet. Been fed up of it here for a while but just always pushed it out of my mind. Bit scared on the ensuing histrionics.
I just imagine Sunday roasts, better weather, coast, countryside, prettier towns...just better quality of life. Scotland is great up north but not for me. I used to live in England and I miss it. Yes I always got 'och aye the noo jimmy', comments about free prescriptions bla bla etc which is tedious but overall preferred England. Only moved back up here for family and most of the time they are abroad anyway! I don't feel any deep connection to Scotland. I'm sick of the litter, the parochial Outlook (all you ever hear from the school is tartan, Haggis etc) education is definitely poorer than when I was young. I hate going into the city as its full of drunks and drug addicts. And the countryside in central areas is a bit non existent. You really have to travel further up north for that anyway. I usually take holidays in Lakes, cotswolds, Worcestershire, Northumberland anyway. Maybe I just prefer England.

You moved back to Scotland for family and feel disappointed. You want to be near family down south but that might not be all you imagine too.

I live on the west coast of Scotland and think it’s a great location. Direct train to Glasgow, beach on our doorstep, surrounded by countryside on the edge of a decent sized town. Our schools aren’t ‘Scottish’ focused and provide a good education . We have great independent eateries and had a cracking Sunday roast out last weekend!
I would be concerned a sideways move might land you in a similar location with marginally better weather and think it’s so important to know why you really want to move before you uproot the DC.

UrsulaBelle · 26/03/2023 14:20

Your 12 year old would be going into Y8 in September, so would have already missed the first year at secondary school in England if that’s a consideration.

GneissWork · 26/03/2023 14:20

bagelbagelbagel · 26/03/2023 14:13

The weather would be my dealbreaker. I live in the sunny SE and couldn't bear rain most days.

It doesn’t rain “most” days in the central belt, particularly if you are in the east of the central belt. Glasgow typically has 167 rain days per year, Edinburgh 129, Weymouth 113.

If you would seriously consider moving your family 450+ miles away and potentially saddling them with £40k student debt each to have 16 extra dry days per year then … well … that’s interesting.

The highlands is significantly wetter, but op has stated many times they are in the central belt.

usernother · 26/03/2023 14:17

I moved a lot when young and got picked on in every single new place because of my accent. Can't say it bothered me too much though, I got through it pretty well.

bagelbagelbagel · 26/03/2023 14:13

The weather would be my dealbreaker. I live in the sunny SE and couldn't bear rain most days.

Nastyurtium · 26/03/2023 14:11

University funding is a huge consideration here. England’s nice but so’s not saddling your kids with a lifetime of debt.

chocka · 26/03/2023 14:08

Timesawastin · 26/03/2023 13:52

My DH was physically beaten up at school for having an English accent. He was 5.

I'm an English transplant in Scotland and have never had a word about my accent. Maybe it depends where you live... in our part of Scotland there are so many different accents that nobody seems remotely bothered.

chocka · 26/03/2023 14:06

I'm really surprised that access to coast/countryside is one of your reasons. The coast in southern England is so busy - Scotland has absolutely incredible, almost empty coastline (ok except Portobello beach etc). Yes parts of Scotland can be a bit parochial but tbh so can parts of England and I would include parts of Dorset in that (we have family in Wimborne so have spent a fair bit of time there).

For warmth and proximity to family fair enough... but some of what you're saying does sound ever so slightly pipe dream-ish?

RemoteControlDoobry · 26/03/2023 14:01

I’d rather be up there so that my DS could go to university for free and I’d receive tax credits for the time he’s there.

Also as someone else said, climate change is a reality and in ten years you might want to return to Scotland. I don’t understand why there’s no countryside. Do you mean that it’s all farmland? Because surely that’s the same down here.

2reefsin30knots · 26/03/2023 13:52

I think Dorchester would be a good bet. Decent local amenities (cinema, swimming pool etc). Thomas Hardye doesn't start until Y9, so DD12 would be able to start in the main intake there. Easy access to Weymouth for sea you can actually swim in, watersports and 'Weybiza' for older teens. Relatively easy access to Bournemouth/ Southampton for some proper shops.

Timesawastin · 26/03/2023 13:52

Oohlalaaaaaa · 26/03/2023 11:07

My English husband has never had 1 word about his accent up here. When I've lived in England it is constant "ooh you're not from round here are you?" Etc. Lol. It's like ye no shit sherlock. Don't think anyone cares up here. We have so many English people in the area of Scotland that I'm in.

My DH was physically beaten up at school for having an English accent. He was 5.

GneissWork · 26/03/2023 13:50

OnaBegonia · 26/03/2023 12:33

Don't think it's selfish to want more time outdoors in countryside/coast with family.
As I said before these comments are odd from someone living in the central belt, you're surrounded by the outdoors and either coast is a short drive away.

Exactly 😂 Glasgow is literally surrounded in three different upland areas; probably the same in Edinburgh. Stirling lies in the foothills of the highlands. You can also get to the southern uplands within about 30 minutes.

GneissWork · 26/03/2023 13:48

Stugs · 26/03/2023 13:29

Really? Plenty of teens seem to do just fine here and barely any go to Scottish unis.

They may be fine but they will be saddled with debt which Scottish students aren’t. English people aren’t eligible to get free education in Scotland, Scottish people are, but OPs children will no longer be eligible for it if they move to England.

Stugs · 26/03/2023 13:44

Pinkdelight3 · 26/03/2023 13:37

@Stugs think its pretty obvious I meant that it's better to stay in Scotland as then the DC will get funded places at uni. Not that Dorset kids go to uni in Scotland, that makes no sense.

Also it's very different growing up in Dorset and having a network there as a teen, to being moved there as a teen. Lovely place, as I say, but not easy to get around and with the bucolic country pub life OP is talking about, it doesn't sound like she'd go to a city so while yes many kids in Dorset are fine, it's not the best move for her teens if she's factoring that in to the pro's and cons.

Yes sorry I was being stupid and didn't realise what you meant, and yes that's definitely worth factoring in.

GneissWork · 26/03/2023 13:43

Oohlalaaaaaa · 26/03/2023 11:53

Definitely don't want to live in a village 😕 where everyone knows everyone and there is a village facebook lol. Costs us a fortune to live where we live right now so it's a sideways move aside from stamp duty.
It's obviously not just for roasts ha!
Don't think it's selfish to want more time outdoors in countryside/coast with family.

Where exactly in central Scotland are you? Because I’m in central central Scotland and I don’t foresee you being more than an hour from the coast? I can get to either the west or east coast within an hour? Down South might be physically closer but in my experience traffic is far worse.

Education is absolutely not better in England either. Plus your kids would need to pay to go to uni down south, whereas we have no tuition fees, so you are potentially saddling your children with tens of thousands of pounds of debt.

It sounds to me like you have an ideal life and somehow you think moving will help you achieve that - a case of the grass being greener on the other side.

FantasticWishesEverywhere · 26/03/2023 13:42

University fees (ie not having to pay them!) would make staying in Scotland appealing. Though of course anything can change. Surely there are lovely coastal bits of Scotland to rule out first?

Pinkdelight3 · 26/03/2023 13:37

@Stugs think its pretty obvious I meant that it's better to stay in Scotland as then the DC will get funded places at uni. Not that Dorset kids go to uni in Scotland, that makes no sense.

Also it's very different growing up in Dorset and having a network there as a teen, to being moved there as a teen. Lovely place, as I say, but not easy to get around and with the bucolic country pub life OP is talking about, it doesn't sound like she'd go to a city so while yes many kids in Dorset are fine, it's not the best move for her teens if she's factoring that in to the pro's and cons.

HibiscusBlues · 26/03/2023 13:36

Can you stay for an extended period when the weather is poor, due to see if the grass is greener? I daydream about the south west but university and further study worries me. As do job prospects. I only go there in nice weather to see friends so I think I have a rose tinted view of it all tbh.

Stugs · 26/03/2023 13:32

CastlesinSpain · 26/03/2023 12:54

I grew up in Bournemouth - it was a great place to be a teenager back in the 1960s/70s and a great town. But the centre of Bournemouth has got run down with most of the big department stores empty, though I think there is still plenty of nightlife.

There are quite a lot of homeless and drug addicts, especially in Boscombe - more pleasant to be homeless on the South Coast than further north!

Public transport anywhere west of Bournemouth/Poole is very poor; it wasn't fun having to fetch our teenage daughter from Poole in the wee small hours of the morning after a night clubbing :)

Bournemouth isn't Dorset 😉 I mean it technically is but it used to be Hampshire

ArcticBells · 26/03/2023 13:32

FurAndFeathers · 26/03/2023 11:13

I remember Scottish kids moving to my school and being teased til their accents were lost.
might be different now though.

tbh I find your reasons for moving strange. Sunday roasts and countryside - can’t you do that where you are?
whereabouts in central Scotland are you?

Southern England is expensive and overcrowded. Uprooting your entire family because you want a Sunday roast in a market town does seem rather ill-thought out and selfish.

what about friends/family networks, jobs/finances, children’s friends and academic attainment/support? What kind of property could you afford? What schools would they have access to?

it sounds like you need to do some pragmatic investigations rather than romantic daydreaming

This.

Stugs · 26/03/2023 13:30

Roaminginthegloaming · 26/03/2023 13:08

@Oohlalaaaaaa - one of the best schools in England is the Thomas Hardye school in Dorchester (the county town - which is just 7 miles from the coast).

It really isn't one of the best schools in England. It's a nice school though.