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How much responsibility do you feel to look after parents in old age?

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myusernamed · 15/03/2023 07:11

As the title says.

Do your parents talk about when they are old and what they might expect from you in terms of looking after them?

Do you feel a sense of responsibility for looking after them in old age?

There is only me and my sister and she now lives a few hours away. I automatically feel as though I will be responsible for sorting stuff out.

Father often says he will never go into a home - like it's up to me to make sure that doesn't happen.

Does anyone else feel this expectation?

OP posts:
journeyofsanity · 15/03/2023 21:48

Allblackeverythingalways · 15/03/2023 07:44

Dad, zero.
He was a feckless twat and has put me down as NOK because my brother is NC. He's in for a shock quite frankly.
Mum, minimal. I had a shitty, neglectful childhood. I'll not be supporting in her second childhood.
They don't deserve my care.

Amazes me that people don't see the irony. They condemn their parents for being awful and not giving care. So they respond by being awful and not giving care. If it was shitty and immoral behaviour then then it's shitty and immoral behaviour now. Behaviour is what it is.

SoHereWeGo · 15/03/2023 21:44

iwishiwasonacruise · 15/03/2023 21:37

I will start this post by saying that my mum died suddenly and unexpectedly last week, she was 77 with no diagnosis of anything, and I am still in absolute shock about what has happened. But this post is very relevant to me.

My mum had been plagued by depression and anxiety all of her adult life. About 5 years ago and following a knee replacement, everything seemed to take a downwards turn. My mum was divorced and lived alone. I live one minute from my mum with my husband and two school age children. I have two jobs. My brothers and their families both live 45 mins away. Everything to do with mum was in my lap. I won't go into the whole story, but over the course of 5 years I took my mum to SO many doctors about her mood (none of the depression meds seemed to work anymore) and memory initially. We got fobbed off at every turn. Following a collapse at home 18 months ago mum was eventually referred to the memory clinic and discharged with a care package, because her mobiltlity had also deteriorated. Since then things went from bad to worse. Still I was practically begging the doctors to please diagnose mum with something so she could be helped. They were absolutely useless every step of the way. Referrals weren't made, appts weren't kept, I could go on... Along with having to worry about providing the care, getting a diagnosis of anything is 90% of the problem.

In a nutshell, the last 4 months of mums life were so sad. She was frustrated, I was frustrated. The carers did the basic care, washing, dressing and meals, but I did everything else. Appointments, shopping, toileting and personal care in between carers visits, admin, phone calls, trips to a&e after falls, calls in the night for the loo or she just needed me for something. Mum became very needy. Sometimes it could be difficult to reason with her about certain things, but I didn't want to take all of her decisions away from her. It had got to the point where mum couldn't get up without falling over so she was really bound to her chair unless someone was there.

She had moved downstairs. It was unrealistic for mum to live with us as I fully expected her to live to 90 like my nan did, and my family just couldn't put our lives competely on hold indefinitely. She did not want to go into a care home, so I felt like I couldn't do that to her.

I took every problem off her plate, but her anxiety created small ones that were so silly, and often frustrating. I was so worried about what the future held. I honestly didn't know what the next 6 months would have entailed. My mum became so, so frail before my eyes. My mum wasn't safe to be at home but adamantly didnt want to be anywhere else. It was so hard. I got to the point where I was scared to go anywhere in case she called, I dreaded a phone call saying she'd fallen again.

Other people visited, but everyone decision was down to me, and every commitment I made revolved around my mum more recently. I didn't resent it, my mum was an amazing person and a wonderful mum, she loved me unconditionally, and I loved her so much too, but it was so hard to juggle everything and not to completely abandon my family to tend to mum. It was hard not to get frustrated, it was sometimes hard to do things I didn't want to be doing with a smile on my face. And now I feel so terribly guilty for everytime she knew I was huffing and puffing about something.

I was petrified everytime I left her at home alone. One month ago the memory clinic decided she probably had Parkinson's. She was due to go for a scan on the day she died. We never got there. Mum died with me holding her hand after me performing CPR until an ambulance arrived. She died because of a massive blood clot in her lungs. No symptoms so undiagnosed.

My life is competely upside down now. She should have been given help such a long time ago. It's all so sad and frustrating. All of this needs to be taken into consideration if you are having conversations with people about proving care in their later life... until you have provided this kind of care and taken on this level of responsibility, you have absolutely no idea how difficult, hard to juggle and mentally draining it can be :(

I am so sorry for your loss.

journeyofsanity · 15/03/2023 21:44

shrunkenhead · 15/03/2023 07:35

This is something I've been thinking about a lot lately as my parents are getting older. I live hundreds of miles away, work full time and have children (and a husband). Am I expected to give up work and move back in with them when they can no longer look after themselves???? I can't afford to give up work as we need two incomes to pay the mortgage and bills. I have a sibling who lives closer but feel the burden will still fall on me.
The alternative is carers or a home which I know they wouldn't be happy about. Also who pays for it all? I couldn't afford it and they seem to think the house will go to me and my sister when they die (so no plans of selling it to pay for their care if needed prior to dying) and know they're probably expecting to leave us their savings too.
So watching this thread with interest.

Regardless of what your parents want, if they have assets over the threshold of around £23k (going up to 100k in 2025 and/or you have property, you are expected to pay fir care you will be offered deferred payment which means the amount owed will be paid from their estate when they die.

journeyofsanity · 15/03/2023 21:40

BreadwinneBaker · 15/03/2023 07:29

In my experience, the ones who say "you cannot put me in a home, I expect you to care" are the ones who have been terrible to uninterested care givers themselves.

The ones saying that they want children to live their own lives and not have the physical and emotional toll (if they even have space/time around full-time work or a home that could accommodate or they rarely Live close still)... They've been the better parents.

True in my family. In laws. Friends. Colleagues.

Clear pattern.

My late mother didn't want to be put in a home. A more loving and giving parent has never existed. Sorry you had the experience you had but it's just that. Your experience. Not one shared by everyone else

Mumof3teenagers · 15/03/2023 21:37

I have NC with DF, so I don’t feel any responsibility towards him. DM, I would like to care for her as long as I can. She’s early 70’s but in great health presently but I’m aware things can change quickly. She’s been so good to me, if like to be able to look after her.

DH cares for his DP’s. Both in 80’s and still living together but things are getting complicated as they older and need a lot of help and assistance. He’s great with them but other siblings are not that interested and not very hands on. It upsets me that everything is left to DH.

iwishiwasonacruise · 15/03/2023 21:37

I will start this post by saying that my mum died suddenly and unexpectedly last week, she was 77 with no diagnosis of anything, and I am still in absolute shock about what has happened. But this post is very relevant to me.

My mum had been plagued by depression and anxiety all of her adult life. About 5 years ago and following a knee replacement, everything seemed to take a downwards turn. My mum was divorced and lived alone. I live one minute from my mum with my husband and two school age children. I have two jobs. My brothers and their families both live 45 mins away. Everything to do with mum was in my lap. I won't go into the whole story, but over the course of 5 years I took my mum to SO many doctors about her mood (none of the depression meds seemed to work anymore) and memory initially. We got fobbed off at every turn. Following a collapse at home 18 months ago mum was eventually referred to the memory clinic and discharged with a care package, because her mobiltlity had also deteriorated. Since then things went from bad to worse. Still I was practically begging the doctors to please diagnose mum with something so she could be helped. They were absolutely useless every step of the way. Referrals weren't made, appts weren't kept, I could go on... Along with having to worry about providing the care, getting a diagnosis of anything is 90% of the problem.

In a nutshell, the last 4 months of mums life were so sad. She was frustrated, I was frustrated. The carers did the basic care, washing, dressing and meals, but I did everything else. Appointments, shopping, toileting and personal care in between carers visits, admin, phone calls, trips to a&e after falls, calls in the night for the loo or she just needed me for something. Mum became very needy. Sometimes it could be difficult to reason with her about certain things, but I didn't want to take all of her decisions away from her. It had got to the point where mum couldn't get up without falling over so she was really bound to her chair unless someone was there.

She had moved downstairs. It was unrealistic for mum to live with us as I fully expected her to live to 90 like my nan did, and my family just couldn't put our lives competely on hold indefinitely. She did not want to go into a care home, so I felt like I couldn't do that to her.

I took every problem off her plate, but her anxiety created small ones that were so silly, and often frustrating. I was so worried about what the future held. I honestly didn't know what the next 6 months would have entailed. My mum became so, so frail before my eyes. My mum wasn't safe to be at home but adamantly didnt want to be anywhere else. It was so hard. I got to the point where I was scared to go anywhere in case she called, I dreaded a phone call saying she'd fallen again.

Other people visited, but everyone decision was down to me, and every commitment I made revolved around my mum more recently. I didn't resent it, my mum was an amazing person and a wonderful mum, she loved me unconditionally, and I loved her so much too, but it was so hard to juggle everything and not to completely abandon my family to tend to mum. It was hard not to get frustrated, it was sometimes hard to do things I didn't want to be doing with a smile on my face. And now I feel so terribly guilty for everytime she knew I was huffing and puffing about something.

I was petrified everytime I left her at home alone. One month ago the memory clinic decided she probably had Parkinson's. She was due to go for a scan on the day she died. We never got there. Mum died with me holding her hand after me performing CPR until an ambulance arrived. She died because of a massive blood clot in her lungs. No symptoms so undiagnosed.

My life is competely upside down now. She should have been given help such a long time ago. It's all so sad and frustrating. All of this needs to be taken into consideration if you are having conversations with people about proving care in their later life... until you have provided this kind of care and taken on this level of responsibility, you have absolutely no idea how difficult, hard to juggle and mentally draining it can be :(

Elphame · 15/03/2023 21:35

Really not as simple as that. When I was an older adults social worker many older people were just terrified of care homes due to their perception of them which dated from the 60s and 70s...

I have a PAT dog and we visit care homes - or we did before Covid hit. I also specialised in long term care funding for care homes when I was working so I've also visited clients in them many times across a wide area.

The gulf between good and bad is can be vast and I've left one in tears after seeing where my client was now living ( not that she ever knew that). Of the three nearest me, 2 are "requires improvement" on their CQC and the third is rated inadequate and unsafe.

GreenMarigold · 15/03/2023 21:31

I am an only child and my mum has passed away so I feel a lot of responsibility for my dad (now mid 70s).

He has always said I’m to smother him with a pillow if ever he needs to go into a care home. He isn’t joking either.

Goodness knows if he actually thinks I would do that but I hope he doesn’t ask me if he’s actually ever in that situation.

Flippppppp · 15/03/2023 21:30

I haven’t read the full thread. I look after my mum. My dad died seven years ago. My mum is disabled. It’s an absolute drain. I’m a solo mum to twins and I work full time as a teacher. My mum is frequently the person that pushes me over the edge, not that she knows that. But, I know I couldn’t live with myself if I didn’t take care of her. I have an older brother and sister who do very little. It’s hard but I’ve made my choice so I live with it.

Timesawastin · 15/03/2023 21:27

Cosyblankets · 15/03/2023 13:58

Did you report that? I would

And if I'd been their manager they'd have been on a disciplinary tout suite.

AcrossthePond55 · 15/03/2023 21:24

jhiyp96676y · 15/03/2023 14:02

Something else to keep in mind is whether or not kids looking after their parents is in their parents' best interest. BIL lives with PIL and looks after them. PIL are both elderly and have physical as well as mental problems. After six months of taking care of them - BIL is now permanently angry, sleep deprived and pissed off with them. I do not think that we're at safeguarding stage yet but almost. It's not his fault. Both PIL are refusing to go into a home but BIL is at the end of his tether. The house is now toxic with all of them shouting and physically pushing each other. But so long as PIL refuse moving into a home - there is not much that can be done. Utterly depressing and can go on for years.

Don't you think it would be better for BiL to move out and whatever agency it is in the UK that handles this be informed that PiL are not able to live on their own and there's no one to care for them? Isn't there a social safety net for that? I think I've read on MN that it can be complicated and full of red tape, but carers etc can be brought in.

It's not right for BiL (or you/your DH) to sacrifice your mental health for PiL.

Timesawastin · 15/03/2023 21:15

BreadwinneBaker · 15/03/2023 07:29

In my experience, the ones who say "you cannot put me in a home, I expect you to care" are the ones who have been terrible to uninterested care givers themselves.

The ones saying that they want children to live their own lives and not have the physical and emotional toll (if they even have space/time around full-time work or a home that could accommodate or they rarely Live close still)... They've been the better parents.

True in my family. In laws. Friends. Colleagues.

Clear pattern.

Really not as simple as that. When I was an older adults social worker many older people were just terrified of care homes due to their perception of them which dated from the 60s and 70s...

Mary46 · 15/03/2023 21:07

TheClash so hard as you say. Its desperate. Nobody knows til they in it. We were all worn out from years of dads ill health.

lurchermummy · 15/03/2023 21:05

I am actually very concerned about this scenario right now as an only child of an lonely child. Mum does not live anywhere near me and has only a small support network and not much in the way of financial resources. I literally do not know what would happen if she was to get ill but at nearly 80 it's likely she will.

TheClash2023 · 15/03/2023 20:59

I had decades of looking after my mum. It meant that I had to juggle my own family with first supporting her and in the last decade when she had dementia, caring for her. It damn near broke me.

DoraSpenlow · 15/03/2023 20:22

KnittingNeedles · 15/03/2023 19:30

Again. Doing the gardening and walking the dog is a completely different ball game from being on duty around the clock and not being able to leave the parent for even half an hour.

Absolutely this. 100%

How would many people cope with this scenario -

Watching TV with elderly parent with dementia -

Parent (P) : This programme is rubbish. Is there anything else?
Adult Child (AC): But it's something I've been following.
P: Oh OK.
P: This programme is rubbish. Is there anything else?
Adult Child (AC): But it's something I've been following.
P: Oh OK.
Repeat several times.
P: This programme is rubbish. Is there anything else?
AC - (gives up) OK here is the remote, have what you want on.
P scrolls through channel 1, channel 2, etc, etc.
P - no nothing on, shall I turn it off?
AC- OK whatever.
Two minutes later.
P- Shall I put the telly on?
AC - OK whatever.
Scrolls though channel 1, channel 2, etc etc.

This scenario for several hours, again and again and again. Night after night after night. Week after week.

Will they then say, but my parents brought me up for 18 years ..........

Until you have experienced it people have no idea. The strain on your own mental well-being. However much you love them.

Doing, admin, a bit of cleaning, dog walking and shopping is a whole different ballgame.

nokidshere · 15/03/2023 20:04

None at all.

VikingLady · 15/03/2023 19:53

None whatsoever. I know perfectly well that they wouldn't do Jack shit for me if I required care, so no. No chance. I'll visit her in a care home if it's convenient, but since I only exist when she wants something, I doubt it would be convenient all that often.

gamerchick · 15/03/2023 19:45

To be quite honest, our parents care for us for the first 18 years of our life's, longer for some so realistically it is OUR responsibility to care for them in the last few years of there's

Being born doesn't obligate anyone to do anything though. It should always be a choice.

KnittingNeedles · 15/03/2023 19:30

Again. Doing the gardening and walking the dog is a completely different ball game from being on duty around the clock and not being able to leave the parent for even half an hour.

Dingdong90 · 15/03/2023 19:28

To be quite honest, our parents care for us for the first 18 years of our life's, longer for some so realistically it is OUR responsibility to care for them in the last few years of there's. I get some people will have different views on this depending on their relationship with their parents but in my eyes, it very much is up to me to look after my parents if and when the time comes. They've done so much for me over the years I would gladly repay the favour and care for them when they need me to. My partner is already in this boat as his parents are now in their 70s and in his father's case, his health is deteriorated on the last 2 years. He does as much as his parents let him as they are quite proud and set on their ways but even helping with gardening and walking the dogs is a massive weight off their shoulders

Blossomtoes · 15/03/2023 19:18

Palomabalom · 15/03/2023 19:05

Well you can say that you are sticking to your boundaries all you like and only doing shopping but not personal care. What happens when you drop your mother’s shopping off and it’s in between carer visits… she’s sitting in her own faeces because she couldn’t pull herself out of her chair in time. Would you put the shopping away and leave her sitting in soiled clothes until the carer arrives? You can’t do it. You would by virtue of being present at any given point be roped in to some form of personal care.

You’re absolutely right. I never had any intention of wiping my mum’s bottom or cleaning her up after she’d vomited all over herself but I ended up doing both. There was also the occasion I took her to the loo and she wee’d on my shoes. Luckily they weren’t suede.

Ndhdiwntbsivnwg · 15/03/2023 19:15

Both my mum and dad are like “we live you but never want to be a burden on you and your new family - stuck us in a home and visit - and bring the grandkids - if we can’t look after ourselves anymore”
We have some great facilities in my old country where I know they will be comfortable, with company and well looked after.

Palomabalom · 15/03/2023 19:05

KnittingNeedles · 15/03/2023 15:20

This is what I mean by being clear about what you're prepared to do, @SoHereWeGo . You're happy to do the admin and shopping. You're not prepared/able to do the personal care.

It sounds awful but more than one person has told me that when you are negotiating care packages with Social Services, if you show any hesitation about what you might be able to do, they will assume you will do it. Because they are so stretched.

Well you can say that you are sticking to your boundaries all you like and only doing shopping but not personal care. What happens when you drop your mother’s shopping off and it’s in between carer visits… she’s sitting in her own faeces because she couldn’t pull herself out of her chair in time. Would you put the shopping away and leave her sitting in soiled clothes until the carer arrives? You can’t do it. You would by virtue of being present at any given point be roped in to some form of personal care.

BreadInCaptivity · 15/03/2023 17:48

I feel a responsibility to work with my parents to make sure they have a realistic and sustainable plan for their future care needs.

However that does not extend to be becoming their carer.

I love them both very much and want them to be safe and happy.

I want to continue to enjoy their company and for that not to be compromised by exhaustion and resentment.

Thankfully they are of exactly the same mindset and we are fortunate that they will have ample funds to meet their needs in the future.

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