This book, “My Trans Teen Misadventure for Children. WTF???

Well the more that are brainwashed the more money they make hence the big trans cults out there & governments trying to bring it into primary schools. What's the agenda if its not money?

Bullshit.

I just went and looked up the NHS cost comparison charts for oestrogen. The amount spent for a 28 day supply of oestrogen varies from £1.19 to £10.93.

Even if you assume someone takes it for the next 60 years, that's approx £928 for a lifetime supply of the cheapest option.

By comparison, Zolgensma costs the NHS £1.79 million per dose.

This is a baseless conspiracy theory. If drug companies were shilling for extra money, they'd be putting their efforts into shifting more expensive drugs than estrogen.

This is shocking. The big pharmaceutical companies are beind alot of the trans groups. Once a child or adult is on transitioning hormones they're on them for life. Huge money to be made not to mention the surgery side of things.

I don’t think the NME or MM were ever explicitly endorsing any of the controversial things they published though. I guess the one that stands out most for me was Richey Edwards “4Real” self-harm, which NME did publish photos of. But while there was a portion of MSP fans who do seem to have fixated on self-harming behaviour, it’s pretty clear most others involved were horrified by it. Steve Lamacq’s recollections of the event and after are here. I think there’s a difference between reporting, warts and all, and endorsing a fantasy version of reality stripping out the complications in the way this graphic novel appears to (I also haven’t read it but haven’t heard anyone refer to any pages talking about complications from surgery or cross sex hormones, for example).

OneTC the panels I've seen read more like a religious comic aimed at teens though, one of those born-again Christian publications. Not subversive at all, just a crude, uncool indoctrination attempt.

Yeah like I said it's not really a message I agree with, if the message is as clear as the limited bit I've read seems to make it but at the same time I've been a lifelong reader and reader of comics and have read some very very subversive ideas when I was younger.

Comics, particularly teenage and young adult comics have always been pretty wtf, people that grew up reading early 2000AD, Crisis, Toxic, even more mainstream and non comic publications like NME and melody maker contained many elements that people would have been outraged by had they been more widely known but their niche place in the market protected them somewhat from censorship.

So yeah the GC part of me is saying yes keep it out of schools, the Brasseye-aware part of me feels more conflicted though

If one were to extrapolate the message from that book to one about anorexia, the ending would be a celebration as the protoganist receives their longed-for bariatric surgery.

I’ve read the free kindle sample and it’s enough to gauge the tenor of the book. So far it’s clear, school is hell (literally covered in flames) mum is out of touch, popular girls are all hair swishes and snogging boys - these are the stereotypical girls, girls with brains are boring snd no one likes them.

Children know they’re trans from an early age. If you try and stick with your sex everyone thinks you’re the opposite sex anyway cos it’s that obvious. If you can’t be your true self it’s so bad you will wet yourself. I also don’t like the narrative of your future self coming back saying it will be fine - there’s no way we know this about an ideology which is still in experimental stage

If I'm honest I don't actually have much hope for the book but has anyone posting on here actually read it?

One of my favourite books is anti-racist in message but contains a page of hand drawn signs containing racist slurs and threats against the lives of PoC. If you picked that page and a couple's of passages as an example of the whole book then it would appear to be a book about racism.

I read the free preview part available on line and that particular panels seem extreme.

I just hate going off on something I haven't read because I think that behaviour is the preserve of morons.

Thanks for sharing, I think at least one of my friends would have been in the same position. I might have been too, although didn’t want to be a girl for different reasons, mainly being a bit of a second class citizen.

These are the kinds of stories teenage girls need to hear, not chop off your boobs, if your parents don’t understand come and talk to this man on a skirt holding his erect penis.

Im horrified at least one teacher on here thinks that’s a “fantastic” message. I am looking forward to the day when the people who push this on kids start to get their asses sued, it’s going to be PPI all over. “Did you go to school in the 2020s? Did you have stories of bodily mutilation pushed on you and normalised? Were past traumas and clearly presented mental health conditions covered up and neglected? Were you forced to read books which misinformed you about the use of drugs? Were you encouraged to ostracise your parents from conversations round your sex? If so claim now against your teacher and school”

if I was a teacher being forced to spout this harmful shit. I would be recording myself telling every class that this was an ideology I was forced to discuss and should be subject to careful critical thinking. I would ensure all my assets were protected. Actually I’d just leave the professionals my conscience wouldn’t allow me to collude in the sterilisation and grooming project

If this had been around when I was younger I probably would have thought I was trans because
a) as an only child I was acutely aware that my parents may have wanted a boy b) I was a ‘tomboy’ climbing trees, grubbing about in the dirt, catching frogs etc. c) I had crushes on girls and boys with equal intensity d) I hated having a ‘woman’s’ body and was totally embarrassed at how it let me down (breast/period pains, hormonal fluctuations and irregular cycles) E) I thought being a boy would be easier and I’d be happier.

But around 16/17 my hormones started to settle and my cycles regulated. I began to realise that boys didn’t have it easier- they had their own adolescent problems to overcome and I began to feel more content with who I was - even though I didn’t want children or get married/settle down.

Then I married, had a child, divorced, became stronger, married and had another child in my 40s. This would have been denied to me if at 11/12/13 I had identified as ‘male’ and started hormone treatments and bodily mutilation like this book supports and promotes.

being gay doesn’t involve getting a double mastectomy at 16. Or getting your penis removed. Or taking experimental drugs. Or sterilisation.

Social contagion is a thing among teenagers. This is well known. But it wouldn’t really matter if a load of teens at a school decided they were gay and changed their minds later- sexuality is something that can be experimented with and discovered without anyone coming to harm. “Gender” is not.

Children are not “incapable of thinking for themselves” but you must admit that very few of us really know who we are at 14. Our brains aren’t fully developed and most of us do a lot of stupid shit.

Gay children don't tend to have their bodies mutilated

Unless their homophobic parents have convinced them they must be trans.

Or they don't fit in to the 'gendered' ideal of what a girl or boy might be and are taught their body is wrong instead.

@GrammarTeacher what would you do if a girl came and told you she thought she was fat when she clearly wasn’t ? Affirmation, weight watchers and gastric band or gentle reassurance she wasn’t and follow up if you had any concerns?

Yes history does repeat itself, but not in the way you’re suggesting. You would think we would have learned about the sterilisation of groups those is power don’t deem suitable to reproduce.

That those who challenge the religion du jour get hunted down and sacrificed

in the end those who see the issues are nearly always right

I think for me it depends how balanced it is and what the overall message is. If it was an honest warts-and-all description of transitioning, including the pros and cons, I'd maybe be okay with it. In the same way as I'd be okay with a book for teens that dealt with anorexia or self-harm, as long as it didn't imply these were positive things.

However this book seems to portray transitioning as entirely positive, puberty blockers as reversible etc, when the reality of physical transition is pretty brutal. It also implies that if you don't like your body as a teen, or feel more masculine than feminine, then physically transitioning is the right path. I think this is dangerous. It might be the right path for a small minority but could be a terrible mistake for many teens who would later come to accept their body.

You are not supporting your students you are indoctrinating them. How can you say on one hand this book is effective in supporting students then on the other has not effect in relation to their behaviour. It is totally incongruous.

if you want to support your students I suggest you familiarise yourself with propaganda and cult recruitment tactics. You also need to be ensuring your students do not get caught up in cults, have critical analysis skills, do not adhere to gender stereotypes and are comfortable with their changing bodies.,you should not be recommending books which contain dangerous lies.

Your suitability for the teaching profession is very questionable.

You’re funny 😀

It's Gay hysteria all over again and people on here are taking the roles their grandparents did "My child could catch the gay" has turned into "My child could catch the trans". History constantly repeats itself and it always seems that each generation thinks it's children incapable of thinking for themselves.

It is a terrible image from a terrible book OP.

It is not a self help book, intended to improve mental health and body image - it is a recruitment pamphlet. It is filled with inaccuracies and misinformation. Puberty blockers are harmful drugs that prevent natural puberty.

As others have pointed out, we don’t buy our kids pro anorexia books that contain ‘how to’ tips on losing weight.

I am gutted that a) anyone thought that appropriate to write in the first place, b) that Waterstones are pushing it hard while hiding or refusing to stock feminist books and c) adults and apparently teachers think it is a good defensible book to give to impressionable teenagers to read.

I'm just picking on a couple of points but they are important ones - the comic suggests that not shaving and having your breasts as a no-go zone is somehow related with being trans. It's not and it's sexist and worryingly me-to fodder to suggest otherwise. I don't think kids should be exposed to old-fashioned sexist bunkum dressed up as 'progress'.

So if teenagers aren’t children @GrammarTeacher why can they not live independently as adults? How many 14 year olds do you know living alone, working and totally supporting themselves?

Teenagers are children and the same safeguarding protections are afforded to them 🧐

Eugenics

Reading a book about growing up trans doesn't make people become trans any more than watching a film about gay people makes you gay, or reading a book about eating disorders makes you anorexic.

False association bullshit.

There is abundant evidence that social contagion can play a significant role in both gender dysphoria and anorexia.