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To think I can WFH 9-5 in the holidays with my kids at home

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TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 05/03/2023 13:38

I recently started a new job where I’m based at home full time. Was a bit nervous at first not going into an office as I’ve only ever had office based roles but I’ve found a good rhythm and routine and we meet in big city once a month so I’m happy with that.

I was off through February half term but I don’t want to use all my holidays too soon. Obviously Easter holidays are coming up. My kids are 6&9. Holiday clubs not only cost a fortune but the kids absolutely hate going to them. I can get family childcare for a couple of days and DH can take a couple of days off bit WIBU to keep them at home while I work? They’re old enough to entertain themselves i’d just need to make their lunch and check they’re still alive.

For context - I know people at my new work who WFH on half days with their 1yo babies there. One of them was late to a meeting the other day because the health visitor was round!

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PickledPurplePickle · 19/03/2023 14:48

If you worked where I work then you would have to sign to say that you weren’t looking after children while working - if they found out you were looking after your children then your employment would be terminated

You aren’t being paid to look after your children

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 19/03/2023 14:46

anexcellentwoman · 19/03/2023 14:21

As a counteract to the posts demanding that women have the right to work from home take a look at this current thread
www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4765923-the-future-of-schools-with-no-teachers-kids-in-a-hall-on-screens?page=6&reply=124755125

Why would anyone choose to be a nurse or teacher when so many women appear to be able to work from home, nip out to take the dog for a walk or to collect kids from home? Recruitment levels for teachers are at an all time low and the OP (not me ) is concerned that the Govt is pouring money into online learning.
Surely what is sauce for the goose etc? You cannot campaign for a law to insist all women have the right to work from home (hybrid or otherwise) and not expect it to affect other sectors

the OP (not me ) is concerned that the Govt is pouring money into online learning.

@anexcellentwoman am I?! I don’t ever recall saying anything of the sort. Unless I’ve been posting in my sleep

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anexcellentwoman · 19/03/2023 14:45

The fact that parents working from home is being discussed in Parliament because of the absenteeism it is causing in schools, is a red flag to parents who think they can combine working from home and childcare.
Parents who discuss it on MN must be aware that these kind of threads are monitored by outside agencies. As long as parents insisting on their human right to work from home realise the effects this can have on all areas of society, including recruitment of key workers.

Quveas · 19/03/2023 14:38

There's a reason why it is called working from home and not childcare from home. For older children we would permit it occasionally in an emergency. For younger children you must take time off paid or unpaid. What you are proposing would, at best, you moved to full time office working; it could be a disciplinary or dismissal. That's in the "cushy" public sector.

But the people to ask are not randoms on the internet. You ask your employer. Because we can't dismiss you for it but they can! If you daren't ask your employer, that's because you already know the answer.

anexcellentwoman · 19/03/2023 14:30

And the recent discussion in Parliament about records of absenteeism amongst school kids are at a record high because most parents 'work from home' on a Friday so treat it as an extra weekend day and keep their kids at home.

Pupils missing school on Fridays as parents are at home, MPs told www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-64875643

anexcellentwoman · 19/03/2023 14:21

As a counteract to the posts demanding that women have the right to work from home take a look at this current thread
www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4765923-the-future-of-schools-with-no-teachers-kids-in-a-hall-on-screens?page=6&reply=124755125

Why would anyone choose to be a nurse or teacher when so many women appear to be able to work from home, nip out to take the dog for a walk or to collect kids from home? Recruitment levels for teachers are at an all time low and the OP (not me ) is concerned that the Govt is pouring money into online learning.
Surely what is sauce for the goose etc? You cannot campaign for a law to insist all women have the right to work from home (hybrid or otherwise) and not expect it to affect other sectors

Coffeepot72 · 19/03/2023 13:42

Callmenat · 19/03/2023 12:46

The comments on here make me want to get my staff back in the office full time.....

And that’s a shame because surely not all your staff take the mickey, and not all of them have young children?

Riverlee · 19/03/2023 13:31

Jinjinjin · 06/03/2023 11:52

Some of these respones are hilarious! You've really upset some people OP 😂 2 days wfh with the kids who you've said are perfectly capable of occupying themselves (mine wouldn't be at age 8, 8 and 10 but every child is obviously different) is perfectly fine, I'm assuming everyone else thought you were implying 2 weeks not 2 days!

That’s how I read the original post originally. It makes a difference, two days and two weeks.

Callmenat · 19/03/2023 12:46

The comments on here make me want to get my staff back in the office full time.....

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 07/03/2023 02:17

lazycats · 06/03/2023 11:54

The trick to improve systems that don't allow mickey-taking. If you can't tell how productive someone WFH is being - ie they don't have quantifiable workloads that need to be done by specific deadlines - you probably don't have a good business model, and presenteeism won't change that.

My workplace has us all working on Sharepoint and you can see on the shared dashboard exactly what documents people have been working on and the times. I imagine that if people weren’t popping up consistently as working on the documents there would be questions

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TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 07/03/2023 02:11

WiIson · 06/03/2023 11:41

all these people saying they’d dictate to their staff they must be in an office etc are the kinds of people/companies I’d never work for because I like to work for companies that see their staff as actual people not robots

Yes. No doubt they will start struggling to recruit.

Yes I have worked for those places before and it’s a total nightmare.

I once worked in the public sector and I’d been working in another location. This was on a Thursday, I didn’t work Fridays and someone else who used my desk on Fridays needed my laptop - so I had to drop it back.

Because of the length of drive back I swung by to pick DD up (then 4) from after school club first as I’d otherwise be doubling back on myself and wouldn’t have made it in time. So I got to the office at 5.15 (I clocked off at 5) and a few people including my boss were still there martyring themselves. I obviously couldn’t leave DD in the car so she came in with me whilst I literally put my laptop back in the docking station. Some colleagues cooed over my DD as shed just started school and was in her little uniform. My boss looked furious.

I got a bollocking the next day. Even after explaining why I had no choice and how it was outside of office hours. Apparently it’s inappropriate to bring children into the office no matter what. I was Confused and said that at the request of the organisation I’d been working 50 miles away and I couldn’t leave her in an empty school or in the car for the sake of not bringing her into the office. DH couldn’t do it either as he had to pick DS up from nursery. I asked what she expected me to do and she said “Not bring your child into the workplace”. She knew I had children (I’d been on maternity leave!!!) I’m not sure why she wanted me to hide them or leave them in unsafe places so she wasn’t exposed to their existence.

I applied for new jobs the next day and within 2 weeks I’d handed my notice in and my boss was utterly perplexed and sorry to see me go, apparently.

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WiIson · 06/03/2023 22:21

Roll eyes or not, they’re absolutely correct.
If I found my employees were spending paid time entertaining their kids, they’d be back in the office the following Monday

I expect your employees would fuck off and get themselves another job with a boss who does understand flexible working and doesn't try to treat them like children.

WinterMusings · 06/03/2023 21:44

Deathbyfluffy · 06/03/2023 08:12

Roll eyes or not, they’re absolutely correct.
If I found my employees were spending paid time entertaining their kids, they’d be back in the office the following Monday

Oooh you're loving that little power trip.

just because they're home, it doesn't mean she's entertaining them FGS

nocookiesnocream · 06/03/2023 12:27

@lazycats

Thankfully I work for a company that's treats me like an adult who can manage their own workf load and I don't need monitoring tools to prove how much I'm doing. I have objectives set out each year and if i didn't deliver those it would be obvious I was slacking, no need for Spy ware!

I have regular meetings during the week and daily catch up with the team, they know I'm there working.

The minute you start intense monitoring staff is when they will only work to rule and you lose all respect

If you can't trust your employees to work from home then you shouldn't have employed them

lazycats · 06/03/2023 11:54

Raspberrywi · 06/03/2023 11:46

It depends on sector I suppose and how valuable your skills are. As many employers begin heading back into the office remote or even hybrid roles become more competitive. Personally I'm all for flexibility and for those who find it preferable wfh should be kept, but there is more trust involved and some people do take the mick.

The trick to improve systems that don't allow mickey-taking. If you can't tell how productive someone WFH is being - ie they don't have quantifiable workloads that need to be done by specific deadlines - you probably don't have a good business model, and presenteeism won't change that.

Jinjinjin · 06/03/2023 11:52

Some of these respones are hilarious! You've really upset some people OP 😂 2 days wfh with the kids who you've said are perfectly capable of occupying themselves (mine wouldn't be at age 8, 8 and 10 but every child is obviously different) is perfectly fine, I'm assuming everyone else thought you were implying 2 weeks not 2 days!

Raspberrywi · 06/03/2023 11:46

WiIson · 06/03/2023 11:41

all these people saying they’d dictate to their staff they must be in an office etc are the kinds of people/companies I’d never work for because I like to work for companies that see their staff as actual people not robots

Yes. No doubt they will start struggling to recruit.

It depends on sector I suppose and how valuable your skills are. As many employers begin heading back into the office remote or even hybrid roles become more competitive. Personally I'm all for flexibility and for those who find it preferable wfh should be kept, but there is more trust involved and some people do take the mick.

WiIson · 06/03/2023 11:41

all these people saying they’d dictate to their staff they must be in an office etc are the kinds of people/companies I’d never work for because I like to work for companies that see their staff as actual people not robots

Yes. No doubt they will start struggling to recruit.

anonymousxoxo · 06/03/2023 11:01

Coffeepot72 · 06/03/2023 10:47

Working flexibility 100%, best thing to come out of covid.

Definitely. I don’t have children but hybrid has been a game changer, I would have gone part time otherwise, the commute was a real pain

Yup, all my work is on laptop and commuting was pointless. Going all that way wasting money, being unhealthy just to work on a laptop.

Coffeepot72 · 06/03/2023 10:47

Working flexibility 100%, best thing to come out of covid.

Definitely. I don’t have children but hybrid has been a game changer, I would have gone part time otherwise, the commute was a real pain

LosingMyPancakes · 06/03/2023 09:50

passtheolives · 06/03/2023 09:07

Problem asking that question here op is a lot of mumsnet don’t seem to get that some companies are flexible and so long as you get your work done they don’t mind what your day looks like

all these people saying they’d dictate to their staff they must be in an office etc are the kinds of people/companies I’d never work for because I like to work for companies that see their staff as actual people not robots 🙄

Yes! I often see comments on here how if you're WFH you are not to be disturbed or expected to do a thing, you must be glued to your screen for every minute of your working day. In reality, most people at my large corporate come and go picking up kids and taking walks etc. No.one bats an eye as our outputs are met 💁

anonymousxoxo · 06/03/2023 09:10

passtheolives · 06/03/2023 09:07

Problem asking that question here op is a lot of mumsnet don’t seem to get that some companies are flexible and so long as you get your work done they don’t mind what your day looks like

all these people saying they’d dictate to their staff they must be in an office etc are the kinds of people/companies I’d never work for because I like to work for companies that see their staff as actual people not robots 🙄

Exactly, what I’ve been saying!

garlictwist · 06/03/2023 09:10

At 6 and 9 I think it's fine. They are not babies and don't need supervising. They can play on their own and watch TV with you working. If they were younger I'd say no way! My mum used to work from home during the school holidays (this was in the 80s so literally just paperwork as no internet) and we would just watch telly and play in the garden.

passtheolives · 06/03/2023 09:07

Problem asking that question here op is a lot of mumsnet don’t seem to get that some companies are flexible and so long as you get your work done they don’t mind what your day looks like

all these people saying they’d dictate to their staff they must be in an office etc are the kinds of people/companies I’d never work for because I like to work for companies that see their staff as actual people not robots 🙄

MajorCarolDanvers · 06/03/2023 09:04

berksandbeyond · 05/03/2023 13:44

YABU.
how expensive is holiday club really? It’s £25 a day here

Nothing less than £50 a day where I live. Per child.