Caffe Nero

This is the thing. Dogs don’t generally like being in shops, or cafes. There are loads of dogs at my local farmer’s market and a lot of them are clearly stressed. Why do people bring them to a noisy, busy environment?

Dogs like fields, beaches and woods, otherwise they like being in their own home. I’m pretty sure they’re not enjoying Cafe Nero.

Not quite as bad as the other one currently going. We haven't had poisoning dogs on this one yet.

I knew this was going to be another dog-hating post before I opened it 🙄

Of course you can be huffy about other people's badly behaved children - especially when there are very few (if any) public places adults can go to get away from children - especially during the day.

Just because children are allowed in pubs, restaurants and coffee shops, doesn't mean they can run around behaving badly. And people (parents or non-parents) shouldn't be expected to just put up with it either.

Hardly. We get one every week. They’re always full of the same posters, easily identifiable by their writing style, despite their frequent name changes.

Same here. Loads of them in marks and spencers today. Thing is some of them clearly didn't want to be sat in the cafe or wandering around the clothes

I think we are talking at cross purposes here.

Im it saying having a child means you should always enjoy other children.

Im saying it’s weird to have children, raise them (in which time you presumably take them in public) then despair and huff because other people’s kids are in public.

If they are doing something like kicking your seat yes you can be annoyed but it seems many problem with older kids think children should be seen and not heard (someone actually posted those very words on a thread the other day!)

So once you have had a child you have no right to find other people’s children annoying? Even if they are running around a restaurant screaming or kicking the back of your seat on a flight? Nope, because you once had a child, even if it was 50 years ago, then you must never ever complain. Ok then.

If you have children you have no right to be annoyed or sniffy about other people’s children being in public places.

and sometimes kids tantrum. So what. I can’t imagine being such a massive wet wipe that this would upset me. I’d just be thinking ‘thank Christ I’m not having to deal with that’

The point is, by having children themselves they’re hardly in a position to be sniffy about other people having children and bringing them out in public. Couldn’t imagine children of adults saying “urgh little kids” when they’ve had them themselves.

Just because you have children doesn't mean you want to be around them all the time.

And just because children are welcome, doesn't mean they should be allowed to behave badly and disturb other customers.

There are so many child-friendly places to go that it makes sense to take small children there and while they're in the screaming tantrum phase 🤷🏻‍♀️

You’ve clearly not met my mother.

In our area, Costa is trialling allowing dogs in.

The point is, by having children themselves they’re hardly in a position to be sniffy about other people having children and bringing them out in public. Couldn’t imagine children of adults saying “urgh little kids” when they’ve had them themselves.

Yes it’s female centric as compared to the rest of the internet.

Plenty of people who have had children don’t wish to be in the company of children now that their own are grown up.

I was joking.

No. What’s your point? I have been able to get on with my (non-nursery based) life without kids causing any of those problems listed in my post. I am not a childcare provider.

Unless they gave birth to a grown adult, it’s a bit weird that a parent would be anti child.

And whilst you don’t HAVE to be a parent to be on MN it’s also weird to come son a website that literally states it’s “for parents” and moan about children. MN is not female centric BTW. It’s for parents, not mums

You’ve never worked in a nursery have you……

Not every poster is a mum. Some posters are here because they like to be on a female centric corner of the internet. Other posters are mums but have older children and have little desire to be in the company of small children.

I did t know Cafe Nero allowed dogs, I usually try and avoid the large chains so rarely go in, it’s nice to known that it’s an option - thanks 😊

Yes that's the attitude So long as your wants and needs are met don't worry about the impact on your fellow humans

I wasn't talking about you specifically.

The point was - if you don't like dogs or don't want to eat around them, you have the choice to go to a restaurant that doesn't allow dogs, whereas there are very, very few childfree places out there.

I'm not intolerant of children either, I just want to be able to enjoy my coffee/lunch/meal without listening to them scream and tantrum. That kind of behaviour isn't normal and never has been IMO.

Who said anything about hating dogs?

I haven’t done that.

Although I was somewhere last weekend which I discovered half way through my lunch was dog friendly. Thankfully it was a well behaved pair of sausage dogs it still I wouldn’t have gone had I known.

If your tolerance for children is so low then either don’t eat out or maybe try to be more tolerant - they’re humans after all and it’s ridiculous to suggest a total intolerance for someone you yourself used to be is normal.

Who said anything about hating children?