....to think men are, sorry, but AWFUL

You really need to get a life and stop generalising not to mention projecting outright prejudice towards half the population.

You just sound thoroughly stupid and poorly educated.

Maybe try and enlighten yourself?

Honestly, I’m so glad I’m a lesbian, because men as a group are awful. There are a few truly decent men out there, but imo they are few and far between. Even the men you think are good often hold misogynistic views that are surprising.

My dad recently disclosed that he thinks deep down all women don’t want to work and want to just stay at home and be taken care of by men. He also thinks it’s okay for men to sleep around, but not women, because it’s in a “man’s nature”, but not a woman’s. He’s retired and has fallen down the Ben Shapiro YouTube rabbit hole. My dad has always done 50:50 of the housework and was very hands on childcare, is a gentleman, treats my mum with respect, has been so supportive of my career, so I never would have thought he would hold such views.

My brother recently told me how he thinks his friend who now has a double barrelled name is a “wet blanket” “under the thumb” “not a real man”for taking his wife’s name, apparently a real man would never double barrel his name and he wouldn’t have married my SIL if she didn’t drop her name and take his, again I was totally shocked as was my SIL, his wife.

Found out my FIL, who I previously thought was a very good guy cheated on his ex wife with prostitutes.

My best friend’s husband turned out to be a useless waste of space alcoholic, we all thought he was a lovely guy, he doted on her and would do anything she asked, as soon as their child was born he changed completely and is now emotionally abusive and does absolutely nothing around the house or with their child.

I don’t know if I’ve ever even known a guy that didn’t hold some kind of sexist or misogynistic view and/or wasn’t lazy with housework or childcare, it’s really depressing.

I know so many amazing women now who have decided to stay single because they are fed up with men.

Even the good ones really aren’t

Seriously @PorpoiseWithPurpose , if you were male you'd be on incel boards with that kind of attitude.

You've written off 50% of the population there. No wonder mumsnet is seen as a man hating site when this misandrist garbage is accepted and cheered on.

I hear you OP, I have completely lost my faith in men.

Every day on the news, women and children abused, raped and murdered by men, men that they loved and trusted. Sick to death of it.

Sick of misogny, "banter", road rage, you name it, men are awful.
The misdeeds women are guilty of are just incomparable to the awfulness of men.

@Naunet I'm not angry, I've no need to be 😂.

But you comment was just PA, not a joke.

Other PA comments with your 🤷‍♀️ when someone mentions the death of their brother is awful.

I've great men all around me, I also had three great brothers (two now laser on).

Yeah, you may have had shit, but stop blaming every man.

Anyway, I've got to go.... DH just serving up dinner.

I always think even the “good” ones (ie faithful, decent human beings) have a selfish streak and tend to put themselves first more than women do.

Its a joke 🙄 If you don’t think there are woman out there that bend over backwards to make excuses for men and pretend women are just as bad, then you need to open your eyes.

Thanks.

I'm not saying there are no bad men just that not all men are awful. The world lost a beautiful person thexday my Brother died.

@Naunet sorry didn't realise it was a joke, now I know I'm literally PMSL! It's the best I've heard for bloody months...

Congratulations 🤷‍♀️

@Naunet it's a joke...... but it's true?

Are you confused or what?

There you are taking the pisx because some of us are happy with the men in our lives.

So sorry you have been through what you have.

I had the best Btother in the world who died. I have a fab DH. I've just been sat having a drink with two of our male friends. One is an amazing step dad to a down syndrome guy.

I could go on.

See that's your problem right there. Nuance and a difference of perspectives.

You say, "whenever there is thread like this..." but completely neglect that you yourself have fallen into the trap of "men do XYZ of violent and brutal stuff".

This thread started out as an infidelity issue, not men killing and raping women but all too often, any bad behaviour is rapidly followed by all the other more dreadful stuff that men do. It's done all the time.

People saying that women are as bad aren't suggesting that women kill and rape men but in context of the OP, it's a valid argument. Yet by jumping on the "men kill women" bandwagon, the discussion has lost all nuance and basis for debate. It's a silencing tactic that serves no purpose but to shut down debate. And whether intentional or not, this is what you're doing.

Noone is debating that some men do all the truly nasty stuff but that has little relevance to the OP.

There are many positives but when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. My FIL is kind, gentle, loyal, generous, hard working and a great husband/father. What more do you want? My OH is the same but it's of little interest when a PP said that even the good ones are bad. What complete load of bollocks.

Classic example at not accepting another point of view!

If you stick up for for DH or DS, you're in the "poor menz" team.

My DH and both my DS are good men, sorry you've not got them in your life but I'm certainly glad they're all in mine!