....to think men are, sorry, but AWFUL

Because as @JohnnyYenSetHimselfOnFireAgain points out this isn't a man hating thread is it?

The irony!

I have no idea what your last paragraph is meant to be saying?

Mostly how casual they are about their hatred (which they don’t even recognize as hatred) towards women.

Have you read the whole of this thread? The irony-meter has just exploded.

I find that really strange that you think not many women have experience harassment and assault.

Because all my female friends have also experienced so much sexual harassment and ill treatment from men we genuinely need several hands to count every incident. It’s not rare. It’s a really big problem in society.

I really don’t care if you think my username is weird. Please get over it. It isn’t that deep it’s a play on words.

I never said you were a horrible person. I just think it’s really naive to throw around “not all men are awful” like it’s something to be proud of and believe it’s a statement that will help the issues that women currently face in society.

Perhaps all the women who know so many good men, the standards aren’t the best

Really? Men are human too.

I know a young man who has cancer and he is one of the sweetest human beings I know. Yes, I have a few sad stories. This is because I have a full life where I meet lots of people.

Don't right off all the males, there are some great ones out there.

@IndiaDreamer

no I don't frequent male forums.... I'd find them boring I'm sure.

Boring isin’t the word anyone would use.
More like terrifying.
Mostly how casual they are about their hatred (which they don’t even recognize as hatred) towards women.

But it is amazing you know so many lovely (that is a strong compliment - that goes beyond a ’good man’) men, sounds like you are a anomaly.

You've had a really shit time but you have to realise this is not what many women have experienced.

I hope you have have/had help to deal with your past.

Your username is weird. To me you have swapped letters around to read Pissy Flaps. I don't know anyone who would use this. Especially someone who had been sexually assaulted. I may be a bigger prude than I thought.

I'm not a horrible person. I just don't hate all men.

I think this is it.
I agree with your list.

(And I’d personally would add watching porn / using sex workers to pretty much number 1 criteria weather or not man is decent or not)

But I think this isin’t even that much about good men / are there any / how many, but about standards.
Perhaps all the women who know so many good men, the standards aren’t the best.

Paranoid life?

Paranoid because I’ve suffered multiple sexual assaults and been sexually harassed by men more times than I can count in my 30 years of life. The first time I was 11 years old. The latest was last week when I was leaving a hospital appointment by 2 workmen who decided to shout obscenities and wolf whistle.

Yes, these men are probably some poor woman’s “lovely” husband or son.

You may think my comments are stupid but it will be nowhere near as stupid as a grown ass adult attempting to insult someone over the choice of their internet forum username.

@DoomedForLoneliness no I don't frequent male forums.... I'd find them boring I'm sure.

Yeah maybe you'll find a decent man, they're really not so far and few between.

Apart from my immediate family, I've loads of friends who are happily married to lovely men, lots of make colleagues past and present.

Honestly, reading this post, I think a lot of MNs live in a totally world to me

But, I'm happy in mine.

I honestly can't say I've met many bad men in my (quite old) years.

I'm fine. He knows not to speak to me unless I let him. He knows I know he might kill me at anytime.

do you frequent male forums?

Yes, that’s why I’d like to find out if there are any men who defend or step-up to women, any woman, be it the womwn in their lives or in general.
Never seen it, it’s all awful, men tend to pile on and say the most horrendous thing one could imagine.

I don’t doubt there are very few good men, of course there has to be, maybe one day I see / hear of them.

Just carry on living your paranoid life.

Yes, your username is shit. You are making stupid comments so I thought I'd join in.

I simply don’t care. K

That's for you @FlissyPaps

Yes nothing is for certain. So you don’t know for certain that the men in your life wouldn't be friends with another male if they were mistreating a woman.

I don’t give a crap if you think my username is minging, bit of a weird comment to make😂

Although you do seem to shout out a lot!

Although you do seem to shout out a lot! K

Women silencing women.....

This.

It's allowed not aloud!

🙄

You don’t get it.

It’s not about not being aloud to say something positive. It’s the fact that the positive statements of “my DH is lovely” “don’t tar all men with the same brush” are not helpful. Sorry but they aren’t.

I’ll repeat my point. Yes, I know not all men are awful. It’s the fact that we don’t know which ones are.

You only have to read the OP’s opening post. She explains it well.

Nothing is for certain.

You have a minging username by the way.

Any thoughts on Taylor Schabusiness who decapitated her boyfriend last year?

I also have good men in my life. But I don’t go round crying oh my DH would never do that, don’t tar all men with the same brush, I know some lovely men. Wah wah waaaah.*

So because we state something positive we are crying oh my DH would never do that?

We honestly are not allowed to say a word....

Women silencing women......

@FlissyPaps the whole post is about saying all men are awful....... it's kinda in the title?

Is that womansplaining?