After school detention every time they're late...

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Persistent lateness is just rude and not acceptable.

Yes I’ve ruled out many schools for their authoritarian behaviour policies. I can’t abide schools that codify a bullying abusive culture. I’m convinced that if most schools were workplaces everyone on mumsnet would be telling you to leave the toxic workplace immediately and get a lawyer. It teaches children to submissive to unjust power. Not something I want for my children and downright dangerous for a society as a whole.

Good Lord, secondary schools are mental now! No wonder loads of the very normal parents I know are considering home educating.

Yes.

Live right next to a secondary school - they get after school detention if late. It's the same detention if you are 60 seconds after the gate close as if you are 60 minutes.

My neighbour's kids tell me - and I see this for myself from the balcony - that kids running down the road then realising they are not going to make it in time for the gate closure decide they may as well sod off down to the shop and get some snacks before heading back into school later.

Does seem a weird system to give kids the same punishment regardless of how late they are and incentivised them to be very late instead of just a little late.

Pretty sure when I was at school your afternoon detention was twice the amount of time you were late for, so you will still incentivised to go in even if a few mins late. You just had to go to detention - supervised by the mean head of year - briefly after school.

Not really... I was asking why they were consistently late to the point that they were getting detentions. I was trying to help. Cant help if you don't explain the why. So actually you were the judgemental one here 🙄

This?
www.forbes.com/sites/nickmorrison/2014/08/31/the-surprising-truth-about-discipline-in-schools/?sh=7a001db43f83

I also disagree with detention. Punishment and humiliation only serve to encourage distrust, resentment of authority, anger, sadness and a sense of isolation.

They do if you do them right.

I only gave detentions for in-class behaviour and made sure they were a whopper. No-one ever came back.

At my first Primary school on a Friday we finished at lunchtime and the last hour on a Friday was known as golden time. We could play board games, chat with friends or read (no electronic devices were allowed) as long as we stayed in the classroom. For every lateness or being cheeky etc you lost 5 minutes of golden time and the teacher would instead set you extra maths problems to complete.

My second primary school gave out what they called black marks if you were late. Five black marks resulted in a conduct mark and your parents were contacted to find out why you were late.

In secondary school five instances of being late without a valid excuse and you were given lines as extra homework which your parents had to sign to acknowledge you had been late.

Also, detentions don’t work.

It prevents children from accessing school transport and they need to make their own way home. Some children have died as a result. In our case there is no public transport to where we live.

and I think I have also mentioned that detaining children is generally frowned upon in most settings and that schools have no legal standing for such policies.

There have been plenty of arguments made on the thread which align with my view so there is no need for me to do so. Have you ignored those?

Not normal here at all. My children are late several times a term and have never been in detention.

@Westernesse I am genuinely interested in what research you have found that shows detentions are harmful? It seems such an extreme reaction

If the school has a stupid, dangerous, harmful policy such as detention then yes, two fingers will be stuck up and the policy will not be applied to my children

In what ways is detention stupid, harmful and dangerous? You haven't made any arguments.

I’m happy to accept all the benefits of a school, all the effort that is put into education by the staff, the contributions of other students etc but in effect put two fingers up to the behaviour structures if the behaviour structures are stupid. Yes, you are correct.

I pay for schools through taxation. Always have and always will after my kids have left school far behind. And I am happy to do it. That’s my contribution and, in return, the school in my local authority catchment area are legally obliged to educate my children.

if the school has a stupid, dangerous, harmful policy such as detention then yes, two fingers will be stuck up and the policy will not be applied to my children.

@Westernesse so, do you home school? Or are you happy to accept all the benefits of a school, all the effort that is put into education by the staff, the contributions of other students etc but in effect put two fingers up to the behaviour structures? Having you cake and eating it comes to mind.

Tough. School policies such as detention cannot be enforced lawfully. They anre dangerous, mean spirited and harmful. They will not be applied to my children by any school.

Fondly remembering my school days when my sixth form teacher used to mark me present at morning register as he "knew I'd turn up eventually" 😁

At the school where I teach, arriving after morning registration (so 15+ mins late) is an automatic detention. Arriving late but still during morning registration earns a demerit point, and 3 demerit points gets a detention.

Personally, I only give demerits for lateness if I've already finished the register, so that gives a couple of minutes' leeway.

No.

Sorry no idea what happened I have reported the multiple postings

This is horrendous, I’m so sorry.

I do agree there are all kinds of reasons why lunchtime if anything makes more sense.