After school detention every time they're late...

Maybe, but it certainly made my always late teen in time to school and class.

Ours is 2 in one week,
Or 1 late 2 weeks in a row, but includes back from lunch and being late to classes in the day.
any more than that the parents are talked to and the kids tutor to see what the issue is.

And they wonder why kids aren’t engaged or don’t respect teachers, when they’re missing lessons due to minor infractions. Kids are disillusioned and depressed. Maybe handing out detentions left right and centre isn’t working.

Very environmentally friendly.

Take some ownership for god's sake.

I know a couple of people from dds senior school who did fly to school daily.

Or not bother if they were going to be late.

I hated homework. My school gave what was supposed to be 30 minutes of homework per subject and 3 subjects per night

For me being undiagnosed dyslexic and adhd it could take me 3 hours to complete one piece of home work and I would spend all weekend and all evening wading through the work

I then realised if you didn’t go in you didn’t get homework. So I used to not go in.

Sounds like a system that would encourage people to turn up on time.

Punctuality is important.

They don't miss trains or buses, the trains or buses are late. That's the issue. If you walk to school you know how long it will take.

And presumably if they have a plane to catch their parents are making sure they're there on time. It's not down to a teenager to get themselves to an airport, generally speaking. And they don't fly to school on a daily basis! Not in the UK, anyway,

Seems a bit silly to apply the same penalty irrespective of how late the child is. Once they're a minute late, they may as well skive off for another hour or two if the penalty is going to be the same.

Never had any affect on me.

But there again I struggled all through my life till Dd showed me the symptoms of ADHD and am now medicated

Still occasionally late.

Set off yesterday for work and thought I had an hour to get myself organised and not have to rush.

Still only just made it on time.

I think the work analogy doesn’t work as a child doesn’t get anything from going to school where as going to work you get money for turning up on time and you get to keep on getting money as long as you turn up on time each day

They don't miss planes or trains.

Don't be late for school.

Quite simple.

Our local Oasis Academy does this. An hour on the same day. My dcs school does 2 lates in a week = lunchtime detention. I prefer this as then if they're late once they can make sure they're not late again. If there's a valid reason. Eg school bus late, it isn't counted

One of my DCs secondary gave out detentions for everything and anything (except bullying which they couldn't give two shits about).

Sounds like they are trying to clamp down on a problem. Think it depends on the school, some schools have lots of people that walk whereas others have a larger proportion who depend on (often unreliable) busses.

Yes I’ve ruled out many schools for their authoritarian behaviour policies. I can’t abide schools that codify a bullying abusive culture. I’m convinced that if most schools were workplaces everyone on mumsnet would be telling you to leave the toxic workplace immediately and get a lawyer. It teaches children to submissive to unjust power. Not something I want for my children and downright dangerous for a society as a whole

I do think we expect kids to put up with behaviours we'd never put up with as adults.

Actually my son's school has largely done away with detentions now. They have "restorative meetings" instead.

If a child is late every day or often because they can't be bothered to get out of bed, you are completely right.

If their bus or train is late every day, and they can't get a different one, or one that leaves at a reasonable time, that's not their fault.

The employment context isn't comparable because if you had a job you just couldn't get to on time, you'd find another one (either voluntarily or because you were pushed). And you're an adult when you work (or at least over 16), not a child who may still be dependent on their parents to get them to school on time.

Whats a whopper in detention terms?

No detentions for being late at Dd's school. No after school detentions for anything. All but a handful of kids are brought in on school transport, Dd's bus was late for the whole of years 7 and 8 by about 10 minutes, and is still occasionally late in year 13.
The school buses take them home too. So no rural busses go anywhere near where lots kids live.
Busses are so unreliable that I will be making sure I'm off on the days she has A levels so I can drive her in myself so she is there at the start of each exam.

Sounds like the school was in a mess and they're adopting stricter policies in an attempt to being things back into control

@RandomPerson42 Persistent lateness is just rude and not acceptable

Not really. Persistent lateness normally has a cause. You’d be a fool to assume that was “can’t be arsed”. Luckily our school behave like reasonable people and help rather than chastise.

DS was late to school registration yesterday ( despite actually being in school) then late back from lunch by a few mins. He now has an hours detention today after school - which I whole heartedly support because how else will he learn?!
30 mins per late episode.
I could go on at him all day long about being on time and being more organised but it'll fall on deaf ears, whereas missing out on walking home with friends or missing some lunch/break time will have an affect

My dcs' secondary (a comp) did the same. I assumed it was standard?

www.gov.uk/school-discipline-exclusions