To not understand why people turn off read receipts on WhatsApp

Thats a massive mistake to take the ticks as if its been read!!!!

I’d never take having read a message as a confirmation answer.

This . It is basic manners if the message is about something specific that effect other peoples plans !
This is why I personally cannot be arsed with what app. If I really need specific information I call the person or otherwise I text .

@bellac11 do you mean grey double tick? That just means delivered. Blue double tick means read. (One grey tick is sent but not yet delivered the other end)

If you're doing something like 'Still good for the café at 10? Leaving now.' for a prearranged thing, I take two blue ticks as meaning all good still. So it is a bit annoying.

Well, then you're wrong.

Two blue ticks means it read, not agreed to.

..but I totally agree that people should respond to you, especially re making plans!

I dont think the read receipts are accurate to be honest. I think it counts the message as read once it flashes up on the screen, but it could flash up on the screen when Im not looking at the phone or have it in my bag etc

Ive noticed that people seem to think Ive read messages that I havent yet. All my messages that I send people have a double tick within seconds of me sending in when I know that there are messages that cant possibly be read in that time, such as OH driving for 3 hours for example,neither of us use hands free or our phones in the car so he hasnt read the message but it shows as if he has

I don't understand OP, are they not turning up at the arranged time, or not confirming plans? That's not the same as a read receipt.

You could say to them - can you confirm that X o clock is the time to meet?

Everything on MN is a drama.

You shouldn't assume that plans are confirmed just because someone has read the message. They might have opened it whilst doing something else, and not concentrated. Or be meaning to text back with a change of plans, or their child may have been using the phone when the message came in and so on.

If you're going to assume anything, assume it ISN'T confirmed unless said so!

AFAIK, you either have read receipt on or off for all of WhatsApp. So you say 'why all the secrecy, these are family members and friends' - well they are to you, but they'll also probably have colleagues, acquaintances, maybe their boss, other parents in child's class, clients etc. So they may have many reasons why they want to turn off beyond their relationship with you.

So if no-one cares it doesn't matter about read receipts? I totally agree.

I don't understand how that equates to drama though?! How does me doing something you have absolutely no interest in equate to drama?

I wouldn't take knowing they've read it as confirmation of attendance, maybe they've read it and are busily trying to find an excuse to get out of it.
But they can't say they didn't know. If they've turned it off they can say they didn't see it (or 'I typed I reply but forgot to press send')

Yabu to not understand. We have enough threads on here from people who get arsey when their friend / boyfriend hasn't replied to a message within 15 seconds.

''But getting a response is a totally different thing. A read receipt is not a plan confirmation''

If you're doing something like 'Still good for the café at 10? Leaving now.' for a prearranged thing, I take two blue ticks as meaning all good still. So it is a bit annoying. I can see why people do it, but it makes it hard to know what people know. Obviously making new, complex plans a RR doesn't mean you just agree!

If you are going to turn of RR then good manners would say I click the thumbs up to the café plan above to confirm. It's not hard!

Yup yup yup

YABU to expect others to do the same as you. If you’re that concerned about knowing if an arrangement is confirmed then you could phone them.

You absolutely should get a basic response.

That's nothing to do with read receipts though is it?

Two different things.

I agree they should have confirmed plans, but YABU for thinking they shouldn't have their 'read' receipts off.

People get so funny if you've opened their message and not responded straight away. Unfortunately, you can't just do it for individual people/groups you have to do it for all.

I don’t understand what drama is there is turning off the ticks? Thr on,y drama would come from someone who wanted to know they were on line or had read. And if they are the sort to create drama over it, then the person was right to switch them off

But getting a response is a totally different thing. A read receipt is not a plan confirmation

This

I think in OP's scenario it's just goodmanners to reply if someone is trying to arrange something, however the message is sent.

I think it's bit petty tbh. No one really cares who is/ isn't online or whether they've read/not read a message! I think some people actually think their lives and online status are of great interest to others and they're really not. Some people just like the "drama" of turning off the ticks.
People need to get over themselves.

Two different things.

people need to confirm plans. Just reading something isn’t confirmation.

and people turn off read receipts when they want to be able to read messages and respond on there own time, not have someone hassle them about when last on line or having read it