To think we cannot afford to support Ukraine anymore

Russia tried to influence Britain in favour of Brexit to isolate us from Europe. Divide and conquer.

It is to the credit of British and European leaders that we have been able to stay United on this issue.

However anyone who spends time on social media, thinks they are better informed than all the sheeple about current affairs and is pro Brexit has probably been exposed to a lot of Russian propaganda.

I am sure the current conservative government would be surprised their support for Ukraine means they are woke lefties.

Are you aware that there are sanctions on quite a few other large oil producers? Like Iran? And that we are still buying Russian oil?

"woke liberals" 🙄

You're behaving like a coward. You're just going to slither back to your usual username outside this thread. No one with any sense will take anything you have to say seriously.

@SueVineer if you think that is in any way true you are living in fantasy land. Of course Europe is supporting Ukraine because they can identify with the colour of their skin. Some parts of the middle east are closer in distance to us than Ukraine is, as the crow flies.

Would posters be willing for their own husbands and sons to be sent to this war?

"When your neighbour's house is on fire, you don't haggle over the price of your garden hose"

This absolutely. We are fighting at the moment by giving some weapons. The alternative is capitulation we Ukraine but fighting in our own country later. We are lucky for the bravery of the Ukrainians- it’s a proxy war

we are not supporting Ukrainian. We are happy that they are keeping the Russians at bay.
Remember the last time a mad dictator invaded an Eastern European country, and everyone was like… Oh well…? In 1939?

OP, your premise that it has nothing to do with us is just wrong. We can't afford not to support Ukraine. Nothing more to say.

Elaborate please?

Leaving aside the moral imperative, I would argue appeasing Putin would endanger NATO and us, and a wider war, even if non, nuclear , would cost us far more than supporting Ukraine. It is incredibly naive to think that Putin would stop at Ukraine if he was not opposed. Moldova and Finland at least are in his sights. As are Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia as well. Perhaps even other USSR states including Poland. Russia must be stopped in Ukraine. And we should be hugely grateful to Ukrainians for being brave and protecting us

What a ghastly racist thing to say. We are not supporting Ukraine because of the colour of their skin. Rather because it’s close to home and it matters to us a country if they lose because it will change the power balance in Europe. Where we live.

Oh lovey. Quite a bit has changed since LIz Truss was Prime Minister, did nobody tell you?

The very cogent and detailed comments in this thread would suggest otherwise

@Saysomething1234
Do you know what was the single moment when Britain could have prevented the bombing of London?

At Munich, 30th September 1938.
The day when UK, France and Italy decided, that the best way to avoid war in Europe is to hand over a big part of Czechoslovakia to Germany.

Czechs were well equipped, with fortifications on borders and ready to fight if there was a chance for support. Actually, Czechoslovakia was part of military alliance with (some of) those western countries, as Czechoslovakia had a significant army and industry, including military industry in that times. But the west told CZ to surrender.
Betrayed Czechs did, at least officially.

(Skipping here Hitler's attack on Poland after that, it's already long)
What was the surprise when Hitler came to France and UK. Equipped with both German and Czech weapons, with German military factories running nonstop using Czech people as a slave labour

Current Russia isn't a democracy. Current Russia doesn't respect the UK, despise your lifestyle.

If you find a peace, how long will Russia keep it? It has been only 8 years since the settlement after Russia attacked Ukraine and took Crimea.

Ukrainian grain is very important for big part of the world. If Russia gets control over it, it can starve big part of the world (and in past they did intentionally caused famine and killed millions of people), cause incredible migration crisis and get overall food prices through the sky.
It is good enough reason to support Ukraine now.

Ukraine is willing to fight - for their country and their freedom. Their fight is shaping your own future and safety. It is weakening Russia a lot. All it takes from the UK now is some level of material/monetary support, some military intelligence, some equipment.
If you can't afford the support now, do you think you afford the consequences?

ugh, learn economics. The energy subsidies are being spent on energy, not Ukraine. Russia's cuts to gas supply caused prices to go up. The gas was purchased elsewhere at the new, higher prices. This was not anything that Ukraine or the UK had any control over. Prices are now down due to warmer weather and increased supply. Perhaps read a bit of economics with the politics.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/brexit-cost-uk-government-revealed_uk_63a2d473e4b0a13a950ba3b5/

Well we've lost huge sums from Brexit.
I'd rather spend a tiny fraction of it on Ukraine and deterring Russian aggression.

You are not being unreasonable. People are utterly brainwashed by the media regarding the Ukraine situation.

are you really actually defending appeasing Hitler?

Don't be ridiculous - no one who knew what Hitler did would defend him. But when Chamberlain was making his decisions, neither he nor anyone else knew what would happen in Germany. Having been through the horrors of the First World War, I think it's wrong to condemn a man for trying to keep us out of a second.
And a country can only fight and win a war, if it has the means to do so. Maybe if we'd fought earlier we might have lost. Who knows?
We chucked our lot in with Russia back then, whose leader was as awful as Hitler. These things are not as simple as right v wrong. Good leaders have to weigh up when is the right time, whether they can win, what the costs will be to their population. There's no shame in trying everything you can to avoid war.

I'm not suggesting that we ignore China, I'm suggesting that actively feeding their ambitions and emboldening them by making it abundantly clear that the West will never stand in the way of illegal expansionism by those who have an economic lever over us isn't the smartest move in the world if we are in favour of a rules-based international system and value things like an independent Taiwan.

So we've established that you'd give up Ukraine rather than have a few more years of pain while we do what we should have done decades ago and establish better domestic energy sources. You'd also apparently give up Taiwan (have you thought much about the economic impact of a Chinese takeover of Taiwan? If you don't like economic pain I wouldn't look too closely about economic predictions of what that would do to the global economy.)

I'll ask again - what are your red lines? Is it the Baltic states, or are you ditching NATO? Finland? Singapore? Australia?

The use of "woke" and "sheeple" is rather telling.

Over use of words like woke, liberal and sheeple. Brexit voter. Posts have a certain UKIPish whiff about them. Nigel Farage shaped dildo in the bedside draw by a copy of the Express too?