To think we cannot afford to support Ukraine anymore

So you think that a negotiated settlement with Russia isn't/shouldn't be an option? Is that because you think the UK can continue borrowing money to fund a war with Russia indefinately? Or that NATO can beat Russia into a humiliating defeat and that they will no longer present any threat the West as result?

Oh gosh I missed that special bit. Yes, we'd be in a shooting AND economic war if Latvia was invaded, against a stronger enemy because we'd have handed him the keys to one of the key food producing nations.

Not for a long time and certainly not now. We have seen Russian aggression in many countries and even actions in the uK killing our residents. We cannot afford to appease Russia my dear bot. Sorry Vladimir!

It becomes more likely, given Putin's stated irredentist aims.

What about the last two decades makes you think that Ukraine is Putin's end game, rather than a territorial and economic enabler?

Do you think the West folding less than a year into this would make China more or less likely to think the West wouldn't act and take economic pain over Taiwan?

Govt needs to re-evaluate what sort of involvement we have.
Defence or more aggressive weapons? Are we ready for the consequences or rather pace for time hoping he's out in a few years?

Domestically many are not happy as their guests now have more saving and disposable income than they do as they don't pay rent or utilities etc but are working full time. In some cases the winter makes it harder as some guests are claiming the money hosts are receiving is more than sufficient and thus have the heating on much longer etc.

Not with Latvia. IN LATVIA. They’re a nato member who we must protect if they are attacked and Russia have already said they are not a “real country” etc.

@Teensandfuture slava Ukraini 🙂 please be assured that the ignorance of some on this post is not the common sentiment

So if we pursue a settlement with Russia the UK will get into a shooting war with Latvia?
Okay then.

Absolutely. We are funding this war in Ukraine because we are well aware that a Ukrainian loss will be extremely costly for us in the uk. That’s entirely aside from the fact that it is the right thing to do.

Yes ,clearly, as only person agreeing with your ridiculous statements.
I'm ukrainian OP and I'm deeply offended by your comments about my country and negotiated settlement

And based on the evidence of the courage and determination of Ukrainians, OP's contention that stopping financial aid would 'save lives' is fairly baseless; it would just take military ordnance away from Ukrainian fighters, make their defeat more likely and more of them would likely be killed.

Unless the suggestion is that the West should somehow force Ukraine to surrender? Gosh that is very 1938 indeed (and frankly wouldn't happen given they're already fighting and there is much less incentive for them to stop than there was for Czech partition.

But the UK could have fund the services, it is a political choice not to do it.
If ruling party wants to reach privatisation of the public service, they have to let it fall a bit, just to persuade the voters, that there's no other choice.

I have, as my frequent comments will illustrate. I don’t think YOU have though, as your comments are so ill informed.

How would those public services do without semiconductors? Or if we were fighting a shooting war in Latvia or Estonia? Or both?

Absolutely. No money or lives to be saved by appeasing a tyrant. Nor from creating a puppet state in Ukraine.

I must say that I have family in Eastern Europe (both Russia and Ukraine) and the bravery of the Ukrainians is extraordinary and we should be in awe of them for that. They will likely save us from the horrors of war in Europe by their bravery and we should not forget it.

In what way is it utterly ludicrous???

No we shouldn't stop supporting. Maybe if our hopeless, self serving government started taxing wealth properly there would be more money for all of the broken things.

As has previously been said, the price of a Ukrainian loss is far too great. The political consequences are massive. An emboldened Russia has already carried out poison attacks on this country because it wasn’t banking on a big response. Ukraine is quietly putting Russia back in its box. Aside from the Russian oil and gas that Comes via Ukraine, the west relies on Ukrainian wheat to feed the third world. Ukraine has a lot of heavy engineering production to.

Yes thank you. Have you?

I don’t for a second believe you genuinely think the EU and UK are standing behind Ukraine for the sake of morality or that you believe the invasion has nothing to do with us, or even that you think we would be any better off to just stop providing any support to Ukraine. This is already an actual war in all but name and it is about the balance of power (or powers) in the world, and whether western democracies can survive. The end result will have a colossal effect on us and the world order regardless of whether we give up or fight back, we can’t pretend nothing much of any note has happened and it’s just a little spat between neighbours. As for negotiating - Putin is not a human being who negotiates, he wants to win, he wants the West to suffer or preferably die a death, and he wants more than Ukraine. And if he can’t have Ukraine (which he doesn’t even recognise as a sovereign state), he wants to make it a wasteland. He’s not too bothered if the entire world starves as a result. We are therefore in the absolute shit regardless and backing off at this point is not an option, not while Putin remains in control. Ironically, we cannot afford to back down when in such a weak position economically, we need to win and leave the enemy weaker, because otherwise there is another pack of ravening wolves out there ready to finish us off. You can certainly argue, “I wouldn’t start here,” but unfortunately we do not have a time machine to go back and change past dynamics which led to this point.

@ChillyFloss have you actually read this thread properly?

I also think the UK needs to back off with financial help and focus on sorting out the myriad problems we are facing. Financing an unwinnable war with Russia when we can't properly fund basic public services here is bonkers.

Everyone please ignore @Konfetka
Clearly russian bot with a russian word for the name