To think we cannot afford to support Ukraine anymore

Ah the russian apologist/bot/sympathiser and the sheep line in one. Those are the go to put downs for fragile minded who just can't handle the fact that not everyone chokes down the western narrative their fed and begs for more.

You know, you'd fit really well into the Russian government with your continued and increasingly desperate attempts to shut down any view that you don't like.

And for the record I'm fully vaxxed, think Assange is a , and that crypto is just a ponzi scheme.

www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2015/february/02/obama-admits-us-role-in-ukraine-overthrow/

He might have had some help

@Autumnnewname yeah, awkwardly Azov has been financed by the Kremlin for years so it could shout ‘nazi’ at Ukraine. Even more awkwardly, it attracted a fair few neonazi Russians from the likes of the RIM, who have now returned to fight for mother Russia.

The Azov Battalion is not Ukraine - it isn’t even Azov anymore in the way tankies would like it to be.

3/10 must try harder to find a sufficient nazi population to justify this kind of invasion. Pretty sure proportionally we have roughly the same - fuck nazis, and fuck people who would make up a nazi problem to justify butchering civilians like old Vlad has.

@Hont1986 except Ukraine is not populated by nazis. It has some, like most European countries. Russia has many, many more. Should we be invading Russia to liberate them, because tbh Putin’s ideology is much closer to nazism than Zelensky’s? Surely by your own logic you’d be in favour of that.

It probably takes less time than that

Azov.

House!!!!

You need to read the news.
If Ukraine goes under then the West will follow.Ukraine have put up a tremendously brave and incredibly stoic defence against Russia and we must continue to support them,not for our own safety,not the fact that a huge amount of food comes from Ukraine,but for humanitarian reasons.They didn't ask for this,their country has been torn apart,thousands dead,injured and homeless.Still Ukraine continues to fight.They have the admiration of billions.
Yabvu.
there are other areas that could be cut back ,absolutely,but leaving a war torn country without our help? No.

Well but to get the money sent we would firat need to be invaded or part of us annexed...

And if America starts sending hundreds of millions of pounds in weapons systems to these UK-based Nazi groups then I dare say Russia should come and save us.

Uk also have Neo Nazi geoups. Wvery freaking country does.
Maybe Russia should come and save us here too😔

Zelensky being Jewish really is one of history's strokes of luck. It makes people so much more likely to interrogate claims that Ukraine is full of Nazis, as opposed to having some far right people like basically every nation on earth, and then to find out that Russia actually has a much larger Nazi problem.

Perhaps you should have told all the Ukrainians celebrating 30 years of independence last year that they were laughable.

The 'Nazi stuff' has not been disproved, it is very very real. It takes about ten seconds to look up the Azov Battalion on Google, you know. 🙄

Opps, posted to soon

Why, say in the 1950s would the Western Allies be willing to let the Soviet Union join NATO after they had recently blockaded Berlin, had vetoed United Nations membership for Finland, Iceland, Italy, Jordan and Portugal, had shot down two Swedish aircraft over the Baltic all the while their Gulags were killing thousands of people every year and they were crushing dissent and oppressing most of Eastern Europe? Why, in the 1960-70s would Western Allies be willing to let the Soviet Union join NATO when it was fighting (rightly or wrongly) an ideological and geopolitical war across the globe via proxies and interventions? Again, there is the victimhood mentality.

@Hont1986 must be really awkward when you realise that Russia’s primary military force at present, the Wagner Group, is so named because their first commander was/is an avowed neonazi and Wagner was Hitler’s favourite composer.

They all do their own research. The rest of us are sheep.

Correlation between russian apologists, anti vaxxers, free Julian assange, bitcoin is clear for most normal people

Its laughable to think Ukraine never existed until 1991 too, which was your belief.

The Nazi stuff has been disproved.

When you can show me the Ukrainian tanks and troops in Russian towns and cities, then we can talk equivalence.

Mate, you've blown your beans already. Your best bet is to namechange and hope whoever's paying you for this hasn't noticed how useless you are.

1. Countries can and should make their own decisions who they ally with. A neighbour threatening with consequences just gives more reasons to ally with someone else than the said neighbour. It really is about breaking away from oppression and colonialism.
2. Points about the US and UK being baddies in the past forget one key difference: those Western decision-makers are not in power anymore. The current Western leaders are only responsible for their current, new decisions, latest one being Biden pulling out from Afghanistan. Putin’s still in power after 23 years, and he appointed the same guy who completely destroyed Aleppo to now destroy Ukraine.
3. Russia kills, jails and silences political opposition, who just mysteriously fall from windows to their deaths, or have a little plutonium in their tea. The last three significant opposition leaders are all out of the game. Please name the opposition leaders killed in the NATO countries (NB Turkey is jailing though).
4. Russia apologists use NATO expansion as an excuse for their “need” to attack Ukraine. Funny that a couple of NATO members repeatedly said that Ukraine is not ready to be a member, which effectively blocked Ukraine from joining. And yet Russia still attacked Ukraine. In the meantime, Finland, which will nearly double the Russia-Nato border, and which has the second largest army in Europe in terms of reservist numbers (second after Ukraine), them joining the NATO is “insignificant” according to Russia.
5. Russians apparently have ventured on the wrong side of the border for little sightseeing trips to Mariupol’s theatre because they just really had to save Russian speaking minorities from Ukrainian Nazis. Funny that, since Zelenskyy is a Russian speaking Jew.
6. If not Nato expansion or Nazis, what then is the real reason for this “military operation”? We need to look at Putin’s speeches dating back the last decade, and what he’s said about Ukraine. He has repeatedly mentioned his vision for restoring the glory of the old Tzar empire, and said giving up the Soviet Union (=colonies) was a mistake, and according to him Ukrainians are not even their own ethnic group (they are). THAT colonialising ambition is the reason behind all this, and had he succeeded, there would have been a long list of other countries to venture to, and you’d have much more cold winters with energy crises to come than just one conflict.

It's laughable seeing the old "Russian bots" comment rolled out for any opinion that doesn't follow the corporate-approved 'Ukraine are a bastion of democracy!' narrative. Russia are unquestionably in the wrong as the invader, but Ukraine are no angels either. Unless you think it's a good thing to arm their Nazi battalions? I'm sure that will end well.

There still people in normal life who will refer to the EU as the EUSSR... that Trump won the election... that Bojo should be PM.

I don't know whether Russia cares what is written on MNs but i do believe there are many people who have such distrust in politics.. that they see conspiracy around every corner.

Why would NATO

And varying degrees of awareness too. It's interesting that the bots in the thread knew enough not to bring Afghanistan up, but the OP walked right into it.

Personally I've given up hope of any space on the internet going unmolested by Putin shills. I just feel they ought to try harder. If you can't be clever, at least try and be amusing.

Right from the start too

I wonder why the OP felt the need to NC.

This thread is full either of Russian bots or absolute idiots, I actually fear more it’s the latter as bots I can deal with. I can’t face the thought of people so stupid and apologetic of genocide as those son this thread.

On the flip side also lots of excellent posts countering the shit.

This thread has become an increasingly fascinating record of russian bot talking points and posting styles. Prefixing a lot of political, ahistorical nonsense with "I'll get called names for this but..." = huge red flag.

Russia has never seriously wanted to join NATO, your being ridiculous now.

I suppose you believe the FSB were on a historical fact finding mission exploring the cathedrals of England too?