To think we cannot afford to support Ukraine anymore

7.5bn that should be.

And as for money to Ukraine, numbers are roughly 37.2bn from the EU and 7.5pm from UK between Feb and Nov 2022 so again utter garbage that the Uk has contributed more than the EU institutions.

Sorry but this is just wrong, unless of course you disagree with numerous knowledgeable military experts that is.

No one wants to admit it. This is an endless, unwinnable war for Ukraine and it's crap, but that's true. All we're doing is prolonging it.

No, it's just crap. Full stop. What we can't afford is for Russia to come out of this with any desire to do it again. By all means argue that the balance of financial support should look different, but what you've written here is just plain wrong.

What do you mean "anymore?" We weren't able to afford doing it in the first place.

No one wants to admit it. This is an endless, unwinnable war for Ukraine and it's crap, but that's true. All we're doing is prolonging it.

I also read somewhere that the UK has given more money to Ukraine than the whole of the EU combined. Ridiculous. I'm not saying give nothing and don't help-but why more than the EU? We're one country. That may have changed since I read it-but at one point, that was the case.

Sorry i may have started that... called an anti semite... Jas of olde would have said what i thought about that and got a ban!

I reported instead, its a better way.

I missed the posts. They weee accusing someone else of being anti semitic earlier.

Malfunctioning probably

All deleted, must have been bad.

We mustn't give in to war criminals, no way. No appeasement.

I haven’t read the full thread, it’s too big. YABVVVU.

The Ukraine is Europe’s eastern flank, our eastern flank. Read some history on the number of barbarian invasions from the regions of the Eurasian Steppes, their typical brutality, and the impact onEurope. Read up on the brutality the Russians inflicted on the Poles. We cannot afford to not support the east against barbarian incursion.

Russian bots and apologists usually end up getting anti Semitic sooner or later.

Just disgusting antisemitism in line with their previous posts.

He was born in Kryvyi Rih, small in the middle of Ukraine, or do you have some alternative tin foil hat 'alternative facts'

Speaking of anti-Semitic tropes...

UK is giving a pittance compared to the USA... they will not owe anyone anything for weapons.

We also do not yet know how this will all end... there is no guarantee Ukraine will win.

The real costs will be in rebuilding the country... that will be trillions... whoever has to bear it... though from what i ve seen of the Ukrainians in the UK, they will come back and rebuild their country themselves if they are given the chance.

I believe the EU has budgeted a certain amount for rebuilding too.. as have the USA.

Don't panic. Its not being given it. It will be a loan which they'll have to pay back... Ukraine will be in hock to the UK til God knows when.

Like Britain after WWII had to pay back the US.

Please don’t regret it - I am finding this thread so interesting (I must admit to being - intentionally - quite ignorant of the ins and outs of the whole situation) and it is very important to keep discussion open and see others point of view. Don’t let the more aggressive posters here put you off, you haven’t said anything offensive IMO.

Really learning a lot here, I began reading this thread feeling very “in the middle” but now I understanding much more clearly how important it is that we support the Ukrainians. I only hope it doesn’t drag on for much longer, but no one knows the answer to this. My prayers are with all the innocent people suffering in this war.

Please don’t try to bully people off the thread for expressing opinions different to your own - we must keep discussion open in order to continue learning. Unless being deliberately offensive, people are entitled to their personal opinion. We are a free country still, thank God.

Russia needs to be broken up. It is too big and troublesome. Split it up into 5-10 smaller countries.

I’ve never heard of anything so bloody ridiculous. It’s scary to think there’s anyone who would think we should stop supporting any country. OP, you do realise we’d all be next on Russia’s list - don’t you?

I wish I could remember who said it but.....

Putin's mistake was sending slaves to liberate free men

The big difference of course being that in 1812 and 1941 Russia/USSR was defending against an invading army, it wasn't the invading army itself. Though the propaganda machine has been working overtime to depict Ukraine as an aggressor, with false flag operations to back this up (just like Operation Himmler in 1939). The thing that hindered Hitler's push towards Moscow of course was the "rasputitsa" muddy season that stopped him achieving his goal before winter set in. Exactly the same mud that stopped Putin's vehicles on the road to Kyiv.

I'm actually seeing quite a few similarities to 1917. Bakhmut is turning into Ypres and Russian troops are digging trenches - for what good those tactics are in a modern war. Sooner or later the Russian public will tire of their sons being thrown into a meat grinder (especially as the effects get seen in the wealthier regions, not just impoverished Siberia), will we see another Russian Revolution?

So in order to save the Ukrainian people from the grip of the Nazis in Kyiv Russia employs the Reichsadler tattooed Dmitry Utkin and those nice chaps form the Wagner group who have various links to white supremacist and neo Nazi groups. Seems like an odd solution to denazify Ukraine by using...erm...Neo Nazis