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Tories are asset stripping the country

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Letshaveablackcelebration22 · 03/01/2023 07:56

I don’t remember things ever being as bad as they are now in the U.K. and I am 50 this year. The NHS is collapsing/ has collapsed (depending where you live), we have the most expensive energy costs of any country in Europe, public transport is shit, housing is dreadful & unaffordable for many, we have the most expensive water in the world etc etc.

The tories made a fortune through their dodgy dealings in covid- many work on the sly for private companies lobbying while in power. The want the NHS to fail so it’s easier to privatise (exactly what they did with trains, water, power companies etc). The country is being pillaged for the wealthy & is in a right state.

We should be on the streets but people are struggling so much at the moment, it’s hard to have the energy to do it.

Is a general strike the answer?

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Letshaveablackcelebration22 · 03/01/2023 08:35

In fact @BMW6 i think we had one of the highest death rates in the world during the pandemic. Boris’s policies and Hancock’s incompetence caused tens of thousands of unesscessary deaths. Their dodgy PPE contracts to their mates caused unsafe working practices for many hospital staff. Again, more asset stripping.

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Stunningscreamer · 03/01/2023 08:34

Of course they are. The same thing happened with the privatisation of railways, water services, airports etc. We were all told everything would be better. In fact we pay a lot more for worse services and all the profits go to overseas companies. The same would happen on a massive scale if we have privatised healthcare.

EileenAdler · 03/01/2023 08:34

These posts are so transparent it’s laughable 🤣

Zonder · 03/01/2023 08:31

BMW6 · 03/01/2023 08:29

And if " let people die" was what Tories were going to allow before privatising it then surely they missed the golden moment at the height of the Pandemic?

Also if it would be such an unpopular move then they'd be voting themselves out of power for generations?

Your premise makes no sense.

Actually you make no sense. You know the privatisation process has already begun, right? It's not a secret. Various health services have already gone out to private tender. It's happening.

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 03/01/2023 08:30

I agree with you op

If the tables were turned and labour had got the country into its current state people would be frothing at the mouth and rioting. For some reason Tories are always forgiven, I expect it's a lot to do with how the media reports on them.

It's staggering how far the country has fallen under 12 years of Tory leadership but people still seem blind to it.

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Letshaveablackcelebration22 · 03/01/2023 08:30

@BMW6 well they did let people die in the pandemic. A LOT of people. Jesus.

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BMW6 · 03/01/2023 08:29

And if " let people die" was what Tories were going to allow before privatising it then surely they missed the golden moment at the height of the Pandemic?

Also if it would be such an unpopular move then they'd be voting themselves out of power for generations?

Your premise makes no sense.

EileenAdler · 03/01/2023 08:28

Letshaveablackcelebration22 · 03/01/2023 08:00

@Moonmelodies are they? They don’t seem to want to pay NHS staff properly and there is a huge recruitment crisis. I keep reading A&E doctors saying it’s the worst it’s ever been & people are dying in corridors. It’s deliberate

The NHS and Healthcare budget represents over 40% of all government spending. Not to mention the additional £12billion awarded to clear backlog, which is on top of the planned increase in funding. There is an independent pay review body that the government adheres to. At the current rate of funding NHS/Healthcare will be 50% of all public spending!. So in effect you’ll have an NHS with a government attached.

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Letshaveablackcelebration22 · 03/01/2023 08:27

@BMW6 but it’s deliberate. It’s by design. Same with the education system- they would love schools to become ‘academies’ accross the board- again privatise them. Our primary can barely keep running as funding is so bad.

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Zonder · 03/01/2023 08:27

Theluggage15 · 03/01/2023 08:10

Anyone who thinks Tories want to privatise the NHS needs their head examined. Usually the same people who don’t realise that it’s the NHS that’s the problem and throwing yet more money at it won’t improve anything.

This is one of the most offensive and ill-informed posts I've ever read on MN. And that's saying something!

The Tories are killing the NHS while pretending to invest more in it than anyone else, and while John Redwood and other people try to pretend it's not a funding crisis but an NHS management crisis. Bollocks. You can't run the NHS on hot air and dust.

ChickenLurkin · 03/01/2023 08:26

Loving the idea of a general strike.

It's an absolute dog's dinner out there, I can't understand the complacency. We're being told to bend over and we're all just asking how far 🙄

BMW6 · 03/01/2023 08:25

Letshaveablackcelebration22 · 03/01/2023 08:17

@BMW6 because they know it’s utterly unpopular. So instead he’s better to run it into crisis, let people die and then try and sell it as a solution.

But its been in crisis many, many times. I know, I was alive for it. I remember. The word "unprecedented crisis" is an almost annual cry.

More and more money is thrown at it and nothing improves.

This isn't a Party Political issue. The NHS has become a wasteful and incompetent behemoth. Money won't fix it.

It needs to be completely rebuilt from the founding principle up. I personally favour a German model.

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Letshaveablackcelebration22 · 03/01/2023 08:23

@GoingtotheWinchester yes and it’s always sold as the private sector can solve all the problems when it’s just about making millions for the few- as seen in the post office, water, power, transport and everything else they have sold off. It’s grim. It’s all about demonising the public sector too. They’d sell their own granny if they could

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MarshaBradyo · 03/01/2023 08:21

BMW6 · 03/01/2023 08:15

I've been hearing "Tories are going to privatise the NHS" for over 60 years.

Rather odd that they've never actually done it, even when they had massive majorities in the House, not even under Thatcher.

Why is that, do you think?

Yep. It’s been constant for years.

GoingtotheWinchester · 03/01/2023 08:21

American system

GoingtotheWinchester · 03/01/2023 08:21

I always love the posters who deny the privatisation plans for the NHS 🙄. It’s been happening for years and of course it’s a prize. It’s not what it is now that’s the prize, it’s what it’s worth to them and their mates in the future. The American makes certain people astoundingly wealthy and the Tories want that here. There’s millions to be made and they’ll be the ones making it.

MarshaBradyo · 03/01/2023 08:19

It doesn’t matter what ‘they’ want people have to vote for it.

And I’m will to bet any changes go down like lead. Which is part of the issue no changes can be made.

You see posts going on about the European systems - but to even start charging nominal fees would not go down well in any manifesto.

Our model is protected (actually told to be protected in some cases) but is it still the right way to go?

However if you want to look at current issue - discharge medically fit. Turn on R4 and you’ll hear this from paramedic groups and others. Plus we’re having a heavy flu / Strep A year due to previous actions.

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Letshaveablackcelebration22 · 03/01/2023 08:19

@MaverickSnoopy yes, agree, and it’s a tactic too. Make people so poor and worn down that they’ll accept whatever is thrown at them.

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MaverickSnoopy · 03/01/2023 08:17

Reluctantadult · 03/01/2023 08:07

I keep wondering why there's not more fuss being made. There's a really big list of organisations striking or balloting. But somehow it's like it's not being added up.

Nhs
Royal mail
Transport network
Civil service / public sector
Rail employees
Bus drivers
Teachers in Scotland

Add in the cost of living crisis and climate and ecological emergency...

Personally, I think people are so battered and drained after Covid, the lockdowns and financial impact, they have neither the energy nor the enthusiasm to make a fuss. I also think it desensitised a lot of people to what is "normal" and what we should accept or not accept. I don't think that's the only reason though. I'm not sure why there isn't more fuss. I see a fair amount of people online saying they'd stand up and fight but no one actually doing anything (that I have seen) apart from various strikes.

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Letshaveablackcelebration22 · 03/01/2023 08:17

@BMW6 because they know it’s utterly unpopular. So instead he’s better to run it into crisis, let people die and then try and sell it as a solution.

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Guavafish1 · 03/01/2023 08:16

Typical tory economy... selling off countries assess, tax more and pay more.

Rip off tory Britain

But everyone loves a racist and xenophobic party that hates immigration and the wrong sort of coloured folk!

BMW6 · 03/01/2023 08:15

I've been hearing "Tories are going to privatise the NHS" for over 60 years.

Rather odd that they've never actually done it, even when they had massive majorities in the House, not even under Thatcher.

Why is that, do you think?

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Letshaveablackcelebration22 · 03/01/2023 08:15

@LlynTegid yes. I know that- but it’s worse now than it’s ever been. Poverty is reaching Dickensian levels.

Our primary school just had to set up a food bank and buy a washing machine for families to wash clothes as kids are coming in smelly as the families have no money to heat their homes. And these are families that were ok until recently. Normal people in normal jobs.

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Letshaveablackcelebration22 · 03/01/2023 08:12

@Theluggage15 bollocks. They want a US style system.

@MarshaBradyo and? It’s in the worst state it’s ever been.

Genuinely don’t get how the Tory apologists on here can justify the current shit show in the country and STILL try to blame Labour despite them not being in power for 12 years. It’s batshit!

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LlynTegid · 03/01/2023 08:12

Asset stripping and sales started in 1980 with the part sale of BT.

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