Tories are asset stripping the country

Come now, they’re building 48 new hospitals by 2030. We’ll have the best health system in the world, we just have to keep believing (and voting Conservative). Any day now it will start getting better. Any day.

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Luckycatt millions of businesses are run either without profit or as businesses that pay shareholders successfully. If there is a watertight contract that ensures a certain level of service then it isn't a problem.

What you need is people who have worked in private industry to draw up these contracts rather than the numpties who work for the NHS who don't care about the bottom line as they just put the same old shot underfunded narrative out and the public generally swallow it. The public that hadn't worked in the nhs and seen the shocking level of waste that is.

They should give nursing staff their pay rise and make nurses training free with the proviso that you have to stay for a certain number of years or pay a certain amount back.

Stop the ridiculous sick pay doled out in the nhs, the number of people that have dreadful Bradford scores and that take their 6 months full pay sick leave then are miraculously able to come back when their pay drops is shocking.

Yes they are. NHS England are rolling out new community models ie Urgent care response teams & virtual wards. I know because I work in one and have just landed a post in another area. Brand new service aimed to create 2500 virtual beds by December this year. There is a lot of investment but it's just a drop in a massive ocean of public needs because until the social care system is sorted flow into / out of hospital will not improve.

That's the generous interpretation.

But what you have to remember is that socially unified motivation to action and change doesn't come from nowhere. It rests upon worldview, attitude, understanding that need to filter and percolate through society at base level before creating the kind of "pressure cooker" effect necessary to break through the power of vested interests and effect change.

The Tories understand this, they have sufficient control of the media and channels of public discourse to direct it, they are willing to play the long game and they do things in the right order. The law changes, budgetary decisions etc. that serve their own interests rest upon years and years, often literally decades, of social manipulation and brainwashing to get people to the point where those changes seem inevitable and unstoppable.

"There Is No Alternative". That's what Thatcher said about neoliberalism, and everything about the last 40 years has been dedicated to making that something that people feel as deeply and inevitably as their own heartbeat. And every problem that neoliberalism creates can be blamed on something else - benefit claimants, immigrants, the EU, wasteful NHS culture - the solution always being, of course, something that furthers neoliberalism.

We're fucked - not because the Tories are fucking us but because most people have lost the ability to conceive of any other kind of world that is not based on being fucked, and the courage to make any such conception into reality.

It sickens me that a woman like me who protested Cruise missiles at Greenham, VAWG, the torture of political prisoners, the Poll Tax and the Iraq War is now written off as a ‘TERF’, a ‘Karen’ and ‘a right wing religious bigot’ by younger generations who won’t get up off their arses to protest about anything except maybe for screaming at women trying to speak.

Local Labour parliamentary candidate is obsessed with pushing gender ideology in schools. Doesn’t give a fuck about teachers’ pay and conditions or unseating the Tory. It’s all about the purity of the wrong ideology.

Regarding how to get out of this pit hole we are in, how do we feel about a temporary Technocracy, that is to choose experts in each area (actual proper experts, exceeding in the area of interest, who have worked for years on it) and make them the decision makers. It has fully revolutionised the structure of other countries in times of crisis.

Can we force elections? Nobody seems to be going for this option.
Striking will not sort the issue, in my opinion. We will just lose more money, to the UK finances and our own.
Also, does UK not have a way to make the government accountable? Like impeachment? Surely Lizz Truss well qualifies for one. No money should be going to her and her team as an ex PM.
I think we need to back a few years and get basic assets back, owned by UK.
Change the employment conditions fot MPs. Only one job, no other jobs, forget about benefits once they leave the position and forget wage increases for a good while. See if we get someone with a vocation in post instead of money grabbers.

You just need to Google to see that the Tories do want to privatise the NHS. Jeremy Hunt even wrote a book about it. Dominic Raab has written about it too.

Many MPs have shares in private health companies too. See here for example. Its clearly a conflict of interest and shouldn't be allowed. www.everydoctor.org.uk/blog/private-healthcare-politicians

My DH is an A&E Dr and he says it really is the worst it's ever been. I can remember a time when he was shocked to have to go and treat someone in an ambulance and now it's a regular thing.

Can’t believe some people haven’t twigged that the NHS is already being sold off! Have some of you been living under a rock?!
Dh (hospital consultant) is cancelling clinics and cancer diagnostic procedures this week, because the hospital is in total meltdown and he’s trying to help on wards that are not his specialty. He says says it’s fucking terrifying how dangerous the wards are at the moment.

Oh and at 8am this morning there were 121 patients waiting in our A&E with a wait of 70 hours- yes 70!! And 100 patients on trolleys needing beds but zero beds available.

I don't understand why we are sleep walking through all of this. We had the poll tax riots? Why aren't we having this government is shit riots?

Privatisation isn't us paying, it's private companies which are run on a profit and loss basis delivering the service, as long as utter incompetents aren't tasked with negotiations (like PFI & Labour) then I can't see the issue.

The issue is shareholders. With state run services, we don't have shareholders grabbing percentages of the profit.

Pp seem to be saying they’d like to pay more into the system as it is.

Apart from social care directly I’m not for this.

One thing other systems have in common in nominal fees at point of service - would people vote for this though?

We’re really not used to it and much more used to we must ‘protect the NHS’. I can’t see either party winning in including at service fees.

Anyone who thinks that the NHS hasn’t been (already) mostly privatised, by both labour and the conservatives, really need to watch this documentary:

The Great NHS Heist

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Www0cHLQulw

Although, I really recommend anyone who cares about the care they receive when they’re unwell to watch it.

Yes because most of the population have a spare 20% of their salary lying around. They don't need food or heat.

You know some countries didn't sell off their national power grids and provide cheaper heat to households? And some countries have invested in infrastructure and renewable energy and can provide community heating so individuals aren't paying half their wages to heat their home (or choosing to eat instead).

And yet they opposed it's existence in the first place.

Why is that, do you think?

Parts of the NHS are already privatised, Virgin have contracts providing healthcare in parts of the U.K., E.g. Devon

I've no idea why posters think we would get a European style insurance system when the history of the UK for the past 30 years makes it abundantly clear that we'd get the worst shitty aspects of the US system, run by fucking Cerco.

In real, inflation-adjusted terms, they're not.

Birmabrite the same way it's financed now. TAXES!

You do understand there are lots of different healthcare models throughout the world driven by private companies not just the one in the US don't you?

Privatisation isn't us paying, it's private companies which are run on a profit and loss basis delivering the service,

So who will pay for the service the private companies are providing ?

Yanbu

Tories are morally repugnant, they have destroyed the country, feathered their own nests and literally killed people with Victorian poverty levels.

Truss et al should be up on charges, there should be a general strike. This government needs to be brought down now.

Politicians of all colours are only in it for themselves. I’m sure some start with high ideals, then jump through mental hoops to self justify whatever their stance is.

The tories have been pro-privatisation for decades, but I believe the start of the mental and social assault began with the anti Gulf war demonstrations under Labour. No one knows exact numbers who travelled to London, ubut I do recall the media decreasing the number with each new report. We are probably down to three men and a dog turned up! Despite the massive protests the war happened and we ended up with the current dreadful state of affairs worldwide. The end result was that ‘the people’ learned protest is pointless, the Government will do what they want, and there is fuck all any of us can do about it. It’s no wonder so many people feel completely disenfranchised, including me.

Labour will probably win a general election IF they get the media on their side and play to strengths rather than attacking the opposition , but anyone who thinks it will make a difference to the trough lining that takes place in Whitehall is naive.