To not understand the nastiness that being a housewife provokes 2

Yes I have and I think they can be useful for older toddlers. Not babies.

Baby groups aren't exactly real life either lol, they're artifical environments. My kids did everything with me and were thrown into hands on, real activities from the get go and it benefitted them. Not sing song rubbish with the middle class mummies.

@AMorningstar

The evidence makes me correct.

But don't let thar get in the way.

Such arrogance eh. To absolutely believe you're right with nothing to back it up.

Do you not realise some people work in vocations? You are SO closed minded.
I wonder if you homeschool, your children are otherwise being predominantly educated by working women, many of who are mothers. They’re not “furthering capitalisms agenda” nor “being a wage slave”, they’re filling an extremely important vocational role! And no, I’m not a teacher.

Have you any experiences of nurseries? They don't just shut them away. The one my eldest went to they went to the local attractions or the local park. I would say they are more shut away at home unless they are taken to baby groups on a regular basis.

@FlamencoDance
so I have a child whilst working you're raising a family but as a SAHP I'm just breeding?
Nice.
Also whisky I understand if I'd have girls I'd just raise lazy ones who avoid work, what kind of boys do yo u reckon I'm raising?

Also "you're the one responding to me" you're the one posting on every SAHM thread ever, like a stalker. It's weird.

@vodkaredbullgirl

No. Not really.

I'm having a great time 🤣

I really don't care if you think I'm wrong lol. You can think I'm wrong all you want, it doesn't change the reality or make you actually correct. Crack on.

@AMorningstar

Try anyway.

Just post it. Let the pigeon see it

Bloody hell, no one else got nothing better to do than be on here.

Yes I'm here but I have been busy since 12 .30

@AMorningstar

You're the one responding to me, desperately trying to prove me wrong.

Hunting for evidence that doesn't exist. Posting shit articles that don't back up what you're saying or even say what you think they do

But no. You clearly don't care what I think.

(Calling people mental is really poor form BTW)

You won't be able to actually refute it, you'll just claim you've reguted it because you'll claim social conditioning to absolutely everything, like you always do. It's pigeon chess with you and it always is. It's boring to be perfectly honest.

I don't do it as a career. I could make it one, but I don't want stress to ruin what I enjoy.

I feel sorry for him because babies are biologically designed to be close to their mother. I'm not saying they can't adapt and will all be miserable but it's not the way human babies evolved to be raised and I find it a bit depressing that kids are almost shut away in nurseries all day instead of interacting with normal life. But that's just my opinion, you can do whatever you want.

@AMorningstar

No, if you have evidence that proves that conditioning doesn't exist, I would accept it

If it was actual evidence.

Not a blog or an opinion piece.

If you are aware of the evidence existing, it doesn't matter what I think about it anyway.

I shouldn't be able to refute it.

But I think I better not hold my breath, eh?

@FlamencoDance

No apparently not

She's fucking mental. Thinks her opinion is some objective authority and that anyone gives a crap about it lmao.

No, I'm not asking in bad faith. I'm asking because it's becoming apparent you're going to go "it's conditioning" on every single post and nothing will convince an ideologue otherwise.

Can I ask you - how do you think these particular gender roles came about initially?

Being an artist is a career as well...isn't it?? Hobbies are also an achievement so yes agree as I have hobbies too. Work and money is not the only measure of success agreed..what are your measures of success?

Please please don't feel sorry for my son who has been in first nursery since 9 months and then pre school and does breakfast and after school club. If he doesn't go then he asks to go as he misses his friends! He loves it. He is very social and knows no different. My mum was a stay at home mum with me, whilst it was nice I probably would have rather spent the time with my friends, and a lot of it she was doing jobs around the house anyway. I still do homework with my son, he does a lot of extra curricular activities and we do crafts, it's just done at weekends and evenings and I delegate the cleaning to a cleaner. He is keeping up nicely with his friends including the ones with stay at home parents.. So why do you feel sorry for my son for being in childcare from an early exactly? 🤔

@AMorningstar

I've not answered because youre not asking in good faith.

You're only using it as a get out clause.

Pointing out obvious flaws in your non evidence does not mean I wouldnt accept proper evidence on good faith. I would.

So let's see it.

@the1950sringringring

You care.

Take your own advice and stop caring about what I do or don't do.

And stop bloody name changing every 2 days and posting the same shit.

The fact you keep ignoring what I've actually said and post this weird shit about me obsessing about sahms is utterly bizarre

Weird how you won't answer whether you're asking in good faith.

This thread is beyond mental.

TopGub please just get over the fact that some women prefer to be SAHMs, Just get over it please. There is nothing you can do about it and nobody cares. All this haranguing for days on end about the fact someone is happy with her life is insane. Enough already! Go out and touch some grass or something. You'll make yourself demented.

This thread is a bin fire. SO much wilful misunderstanding!