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To not understand the nastiness that being a housewife provokes 2

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Alondra · 31/10/2022 11:55

Apologies for making a second part to this thread but I feel strongly about this issue.

Topgub

Possibly because there aren't any benefits

Few countries have a government system caring about women and children. The majority of our governments don't care if all have to work for a pittance to pay mortgage, bills and food when children are small because average couples need both wages. A system where nursery fees are stratospheric and eating half an average wage, and worse still, because parents working full time, making an average pay to be able to survive, have few serious tax concessions. Those tax concessions go to multinationals.

It's a system that only cares about productivity attached to $. If you are an engineer with projects worth a million dollars, your salary will be minimum 15% of that money annually. If you are a carer or a parent, there is no quoted money attached to your work, so you are in a low wage or no wage at all.

A woman with two kids working full time for an average salary has not gained much from my mother’s time. Working full time, taking care of the kids when they are home and doing the lion share of housework and rarely free time at all.

With housing costs, bills and health systems collapsing, I really fear for women in the next few years. We will get the short straw as we've always done, but it'll be a plus if, at least, we don't turn on each other.

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AMorningstar · 31/10/2022 16:27

cagliari · 31/10/2022 16:25

Do you actually think the question "has a SAHM ever rammed yo with her buggy in Tesco" was serious? Really? Are you always this literal and take everything that seriously?

Given they took me saying "I don't want to spend all day in a shit cubicle getting yelled at" as me thinking every job involved a cubicle - yes they are.

shedwithivy · 31/10/2022 16:27

Hbh17 · 31/10/2022 15:12

Women - and men - have the right to choose whether or not to be in the workplace. This is regardless of whether or not they have children, and assuming that they don't expect taxpayers to fund their lifestyle. However, most people surely accept that referring to a woman as a "housewife" is reductive of her abilities & choices. It smacks of 1950s attitudes that label a female as a second class citizen and implies that one can have a "career" doing unpaid housework. No woman of my age (over 50) would use "housewife" to denote their status - it belongs to previous generations.

Really good post.

And I can be a scruffy exhausted mess at the end of a busy, challenging and interesting day at work. But it's nice to get home, open the wine and have a chat about our days (we work in different but related fields so find each other's work interesting, DH also a manager but I tend to see things from the employee perspective). Horses for courses and all that but we enjoy taking about these things, and as our kids get older they sometimes like to come in to work and get involved at the weekends.

(Unfortunately having tidy eyebrows probably does fall by the wayside for us both)

RandomMusings7 · 31/10/2022 16:27

If you hadn't posted 200+ times these past 2 days I would take the time to look up your exact quotes on each of those things, cause I'm petty like that.

But as it happens I have a life outside MN drama, so I won't go foraging for hours just to prove what I already know, @AMorningstar 🤷‍♀️

AMorningstar · 31/10/2022 16:26

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Not at all because I can't imagine I'd want to be married to anyone other than my husband, however I'm happy you feel that way - everyone should feel like that about their relationship.

cagliari · 31/10/2022 16:25

Do you actually think the question "has a SAHM ever rammed yo with her buggy in Tesco" was serious? Really? Are you always this literal and take everything that seriously?

FlamencoDance · 31/10/2022 16:25

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AMorningstar · 31/10/2022 16:23

RandomMusings7 · 31/10/2022 16:22

I'm actually proud of stalking. It's all public posts on mumsnet. You shared all those facts freely on here. Now you have an expectation of privacy? Should have namechamged.

Why would I not look it up? It really gives a more robust picture of the whole thing.

It's just weird behaviour. I never search people's names because frankly I just don't care that much.

But keep filling in the blanks incorrectly and giving me a good laugh.

RandomMusings7 · 31/10/2022 16:22

I'm actually proud of stalking. It's all public posts on mumsnet. You shared all those facts freely on here. Now you have an expectation of privacy? Should have namechamged.

Why would I not look it up? It really gives a more robust picture of the whole thing.

AMorningstar · 31/10/2022 16:21

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You can think whatever the hell you want, doesn't mean it's correct or has any basis in reality. Your assessment, like most peoples on this thread, is incorrect.

This is why I and others come to the conclusion some of you might be jealous. You make sweeping generalisations about women you don't know and ridiculous assumptions, all because you can't accept that some people really do have wonderful relationships.

Crikeyalmighty · 31/10/2022 16:21

It's entirely a choice , except plenty of women don't have that choice open to them, some work because they choose to, some do because they have to. Life isn't black and white

All I will say is that having screw all on your CV apart from homemaking , valuable as that is, can leave you very vulnerable in the future should your relationship turn to mush - whether married or not -

zinfren · 31/10/2022 16:20

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 31/10/2022 16:19

This thread is absolutely weapons grade 🦇 💩

However ... 🍿

Isn't it just! I feel like I'm sitting under the table to avoid the flying crockery Shock

LexMitior · 31/10/2022 16:20

I read the last thread and note life is all about choice. However, respect is not a given.

Those with fulfilling lives of any kind do not generally protest to much either... or seek validation from others

AMorningstar · 31/10/2022 16:19

RandomMusings7 · 31/10/2022 16:15

Then you've either lied on your previous posts or you're lying now :)

Haven't lied about anything but nice dodge at the point of you stalking me between threads.

FlamencoDance · 31/10/2022 16:19

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MarieIVanArkleStinks · 31/10/2022 16:19

This thread is absolutely weapons grade 🦇 💩

However ... 🍿

RandomMusings7 · 31/10/2022 16:15

AMorningstar · 31/10/2022 16:14

You're not right about it at all lmao. And stalking me between threads is bizarre behaviour. Absolutely unhinged.

Then you've either lied on your previous posts or you're lying now :)

AMorningstar · 31/10/2022 16:14

RandomMusings7 · 31/10/2022 16:13

All the things I've listed minus the insurance have been based entirely on your words throughout several threads. And I'm 99% sure i'm right about the insurance too :)

But ok, yolo, you do you.

You're not right about it at all lmao. And stalking me between threads is bizarre behaviour. Absolutely unhinged.

FlamencoDance · 31/10/2022 16:14

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Tandora · 31/10/2022 16:13

AMorningstar · 31/10/2022 16:05

You know very little about myself or my husband so your armchair analysis of us is completely meaningless but thanks for the attempt.

I think it just upsets some people to know others enjoy their marriages. Maybe it hits a nerve idk

My analysis was purely based on the comments you have made on these threads. Of course I don’t claim to any insights about you or your husband beyond those.

RandomMusings7 · 31/10/2022 16:13

All the things I've listed minus the insurance have been based entirely on your words throughout several threads. And I'm 99% sure i'm right about the insurance too :)

But ok, yolo, you do you.

cagliari · 31/10/2022 16:13

Nobody has to 'look for Topgub. .' She lives on the SAHM threads. Obviously.

No I'm not trying to "psychoanalyse" her. What is wrong with people taking everything so literally.

I would genuinely like to know why certain posters are so obsessed about SAHMs. Not just Topgub. Nobody ever answers this.

Why do you care enough to not just comment once, but go on and on for days / months / years? It's very extreme.

Do you actually have any idea?

AMorningstar · 31/10/2022 16:10

RandomMusings7 · 31/10/2022 16:08

To recap, you have at least two children, one of each has special needs, you bring in zero income and the breadwinner of the family doesn't even have life insurance or disability insurance. You call this financial freedom because hubby let's you spend freely and insist you are not in any way made vulnerable by this set up.

Can you maybe just maybe see why some people might find your attitude a little immature, @AMorningstar ?

You've made up a lot of things there. Filled in the gaps, incorrectly, because I refused to answer your inane interrogation of me. 🤣

RandomMusings7 · 31/10/2022 16:08

To recap, you have at least two children, one of each has special needs, you bring in zero income and the breadwinner of the family doesn't even have life insurance or disability insurance. You call this financial freedom because hubby let's you spend freely and insist you are not in any way made vulnerable by this set up.

Can you maybe just maybe see why some people might find your attitude a little immature, @AMorningstar ?

Topgub · 31/10/2022 16:06

@cagliari

Oh dear.

Maybe you should be asking why my views upset you to this degree?

That you have to make stuff up and follow me about making wee digs?

AMorningstar · 31/10/2022 16:06

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You only ever comment on the comments criticising the WPs here and never the abuse directed at the housewives and SAHP, why