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Friend forgot our plans

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Conundrum12345 · 30/10/2022 14:07

I have a very good friend who is chronically late for our meet ups and never puts appointments in calendars and forgets about them. Tb

Over the summer I asked her to pick a weekend in November for her birthday as I wanted to do something special (it's a big birthday). It was settled for next weekend. Over the past few months I had organised a day full of nice activities- spa in the morning, hair and make up in the afternoon and dinner in the evening.

We are in contact a lot and during the course of our texting this morning I asked if she was all set for next weekend. She responded that she was going abroad. I sent her screenshots of our conversation from a few months ago and she said she forgot to put it in her diary, how she was mortified, but hasn't apologised.

I'm really upset. I spent so long organising it. Am I overreacting and should I just let it go or say something

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Allmyaarrgghandpeggymartin · 01/11/2022 07:09

Have it out with her op, she needs to understand that actions have consequences.

Metabigot · 01/11/2022 07:08

BadNomad · 01/11/2022 07:05

Excuse, no. Explanation, yes. The reason why it happened does make a difference if the OP wants to continue the friendship. Or maybe it doesn't matter to her. It doesn't seem to matter to a lot of people. They don't care if someone has a disability. If it affects them in any way, then they'll drop that friend. Or maybe that only happens with certain disabilities.

If it was my friend I'd want to know what they were doing to help themselves to stop it happening again rather than just get repeatedly let down.

BadNomad · 01/11/2022 07:05

Metabigot · 01/11/2022 06:59

It doesn't take a great leap of imagination to see how it could create more prejudice if some posters are basically defending the OPs friends actions when we don't even know if she has adhd or not!

There's no excuse for flaking out on a friend like this who has forgotten OPs birthday plans, ADHD or not.

Excuse, no. Explanation, yes. The reason why it happened does make a difference if the OP wants to continue the friendship. Or maybe it doesn't matter to her. It doesn't seem to matter to a lot of people. They don't care if someone has a disability. If it affects them in any way, then they'll drop that friend. Or maybe that only happens with certain disabilities.

Metabigot · 01/11/2022 06:59

BadNomad · 01/11/2022 06:55

All I saw is people trying to explain why this might be happening because they know ignorant people will come in here saying "all people who do this are just rude, nasty and entitled and think their time is more important than your time and I had a friend who did ABC so I cut her out of my life because XYZ" etc etc. You said yourself you've faced discrimination because of your ADHD, so you should have more empathy for people who want to stop people spewing that ignorant, ablest bs.

It doesn't take a great leap of imagination to see how it could create more prejudice if some posters are basically defending the OPs friends actions when we don't even know if she has adhd or not!

There's no excuse for flaking out on a friend like this who has forgotten OPs birthday plans, ADHD or not.

Mexicola · 01/11/2022 06:56

You sound like an absolutely lovely friend to arrange all of this.

There are strategies she could do if she is “neurodiverse” as suggested by some just buy a 99p diary and write it down and don’t make plans with others until you’ve checked it!!

Personally for me the friendship would be over as I just couldn’t be doing with it. No dramatic fall out or anything I just wouldn’t make any plans.

BadNomad · 01/11/2022 06:55

Metabigot · 01/11/2022 06:49

That may have been how some posters responded but certainly not all. There was a tone of 'don't blame her as she may have ADHD' in some responses.

Some, not all, before you flame me further.

All I saw is people trying to explain why this might be happening because they know ignorant people will come in here saying "all people who do this are just rude, nasty and entitled and think their time is more important than your time and I had a friend who did ABC so I cut her out of my life because XYZ" etc etc. You said yourself you've faced discrimination because of your ADHD, so you should have more empathy for people who want to stop people spewing that ignorant, ablest bs.

Confusedandperplexed · 01/11/2022 06:55

VickyEadieofThigh · 30/10/2022 16:38

Decades ago, I had a friend who was great fun but over the course of a couple of years, pissed me off by pulling stunts of this kind. On one occasion, we invited her for dinner (with her husband, who was also a good pal); she had got really keen on Spanish food so I stood up in the kitchen most of the day making a tapas meal.

He turned up as invited at 7pm, she was off up London with another friend getting pissed and finally turned up at ours - absolutely shit-faced - at 10.30pm. Deeply embarrased, he took her home immediately.

People who do this sort of thing aren't friends = they're hangers-on who will happily drop you for a better offer.

That’s terrible but it’s not a remotely comparable situation.

You invited your friend and her husband for a meal and kindly cooked something you thought she’d like = NORMAL.

OP asked friend months ago if a weekend was free then spent loads of money booking spa days without checking with friend = NOT NORMAL

christmassyqwerty · 01/11/2022 06:52

Sounds like a test.

ObiTwo · 01/11/2022 06:51

I think you went way OTT organising a full day of activities for a mates birthday. How do you know she actually wanted to do all those things?

Metabigot · 01/11/2022 06:49

BadNomad · 01/11/2022 06:46

Who said it was ok? No one thinks it is ok. People are absolutely mortified and ashamed when they do it because they know it's not ok. There is no attitude.

That may have been how some posters responded but certainly not all. There was a tone of 'don't blame her as she may have ADHD' in some responses.

Some, not all, before you flame me further.

Confusedandperplexed · 01/11/2022 06:48

To be honest I would find everything you’d organised a bit much OP and it would make me want to run a mile. You’ve invested way too much time in her birthday - organising spa treatments etc without actually running these events past her? To be totally honest it would give me the ‘ick’ and make me run!
I like to think I would be more thoughtful than just ‘forgetting’. but the fact is she just doesn’t want to do any of these activities.
Why should she refund you? She never said she wanted to do any of this stuff.
Back off and equalise the friendship.
I’m not sure why this has gone down the route of discussing whether the friend has adhd or
not! That’s irrelevant. The fact is OP was coming on WAY too strong.

BadNomad · 01/11/2022 06:46

Metabigot · 01/11/2022 06:44

The attitude that this makes it ok to let others down IS an attitude.

Who said it was ok? No one thinks it is ok. People are absolutely mortified and ashamed when they do it because they know it's not ok. There is no attitude.

BadNomad · 01/11/2022 06:45

It's also a lot easier to remember something you have planned by yourself than something someone else mentioned once months ago.

Metabigot · 01/11/2022 06:44

BadNomad · 01/11/2022 06:42

They're not "attitudes". They're facts. MANY ND people have trouble with executive function skills, which includes memory and timekeeping. That is a fact. Not everyone is able to find a strategy that works for them every time. It can fluctuate. That is also a fact. Not every ND person is the same. Some will have more trouble than you with some aspects of it. Just because having a diary works for you, doesn't mean that will work for everyone.

The attitude that this makes it ok to let others down IS an attitude.

BadNomad · 01/11/2022 06:43

Obki · 01/11/2022 06:25

You can set your phone to notify you an hour/day/week before an event.

How would that help the OP's friend? She's gone and booked a whole other holiday. A notification a week before the original event is pointless.

BadNomad · 01/11/2022 06:42

They're not "attitudes". They're facts. MANY ND people have trouble with executive function skills, which includes memory and timekeeping. That is a fact. Not everyone is able to find a strategy that works for them every time. It can fluctuate. That is also a fact. Not every ND person is the same. Some will have more trouble than you with some aspects of it. Just because having a diary works for you, doesn't mean that will work for everyone.

Ragingoverlife · 01/11/2022 06:41

This is something I would definitely do. Out of sight out of mind. I sometimes don't even have the brain capacity to write in a calendar. (Quite demanding when it wants to know time date place person and you just want to write dentist 9.30. ) I write mystuff on a notes section in my phone.

I have a friend who organises stuff a months to years in advance. Who's that organised that it stresses me out. I am someone that makes plans generally month to month. Something big like a holiday will get planned more in advance but I won't start making arrangements until just before. I will pack on the day or night before otherwise I will forget what has been packed. If I'm stressed things fall out my brain easier. I'm almost certain I'm ADHD. I'm messy and scatty but also incredibly detailed and creative with stuff. I don't think she doesn't care but if something hadn't been mentioned for months and then said a week before I would have freaked (but also offered to pay something towards it)

Zone2NorthLondon · 01/11/2022 06:41

she forgot your travel arrangement but not her own? She’s not bothered
You need to stop being the fixer,the organiser. She doesn’t value it,can’t recall arrangements. I am v organised but nonetheless I’d have sent some reminder or prompts esp knowing she’s flakey eg I’m looking at flights,accommodation for our booking. Not just leave it as a definite fixed firm date

i suppose I wonder why you persist in being the fixer knowing she’s unreliable

Metabigot · 01/11/2022 06:31

Anyone with ADHD should, where possible, use strategies to minimise the effects of their condition as I a person with ADHD myself do.

I've been able to access coaching free of charge through access to work and there are charities and resources available for those who cannot do this.

ADHD is stigmatised enough and I've personally suffered prejudice and discrimination as a result, these kinds of attitudes don't help!

Obki · 01/11/2022 06:25

Brokenmiata · 01/11/2022 03:38

As someone with ADHD this saddens me to read the comments jumping to the conclusion that your friend doesn't care etc. My time management and executive functions are atrocious but it's not through lack of trying, I can put things in the diary and still forget about them because I don't remember look in the diary or my phone will only notify me the day of said event/meeting. Yes work stuff etc included. Neurodivergent people have enough of a struggle living in a world designed for the neurotypical without people trying to shove them into boxes that suit their needs and not the individuals.

You can set your phone to notify you an hour/day/week before an event.

Holidayhomehell · 01/11/2022 06:25

This women doesn’t have a diary!

Metabigot · 01/11/2022 06:20

BadNomad · 01/11/2022 05:58

She didn't try to speak for the ND community. She spoke for herself, as a ND person who does do this.

You are very lucky that you aren't affected in this way. It is very common in ND people. Executive functioning impairment is a huge part of ADHD. Maybe you have a technique/routine that works for you, but other people aren't that fortunate.

It just gives ADHD and sufferers like myself a bad name when people excuse it for letting others down like that.

If you know you are likely to forgot arrangements others have made.. use a diary!

BadNomad · 01/11/2022 05:58

Metabigot · 01/11/2022 05:49

I have ADHD and would never do this. You don't speak for the ND community.

She didn't try to speak for the ND community. She spoke for herself, as a ND person who does do this.

You are very lucky that you aren't affected in this way. It is very common in ND people. Executive functioning impairment is a huge part of ADHD. Maybe you have a technique/routine that works for you, but other people aren't that fortunate.

goldenshoe · 01/11/2022 05:55

I'm not sure why being neurodiverse is seen as a reasonable excuse for treating a friend badly, and I say that gently, as someone with ADHD/ASD.

The op is upset that her friend forgot something that she spent time organising and was looking forward to doing together as a special treat, the friend should realise this and at least apologise for letting her down regardless of her neuro-orientation. Yes it sucks when our ND executive functioning doesn't work, but it's not a catch all excuse to let people down, and it's easy to understand why anyone would feel upset by the behaviour of the friend in this scenario.

Metabigot · 01/11/2022 05:49

Lavender14 · 30/10/2022 14:43

I'm neurodiverse, didn't know myself for a long time and my friends aren't aware because I don't really feel the need to label myself now but one of the challenges I have is that I'm incredibly forgetful and disorganised, i also get really anxious even before things i genuinely want to do with people i genuinely want to see. All my energy goes into keeping on top of things in my job so I'm not failing at that and by the time I come home I do not have the same mental energy to invest into other areas of my life. I'm fully aware that makes my flakey and I'm prone to things like forgetting to put things in my calendar and double booking myself. The one thing I hate the most about it is when people assume it's because I don't give a shit about other people. I care so much, when I make a mistake I will beat myself up over it for days but it's something I find very hard to change. If you know she is like this I'd say speak to her about it, explain the effect it has on you and give her a chance to explain her behaviour she might have a good reason that you're not aware of like mental health or adhd. Maybe she is genuinely just flakey and isn't considerate but if you call her out on it it firstly shows you care enough to be honest and secondly gives her a chance to either change her behaviour or explain to you what's going on.

I have ADHD and would never do this. You don't speak for the ND community.

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