Would you vote conservative again?

I would rather Tony Blair came back than BJ.

Nope. Not a chance. But then, I’ve never voted for them so they won’t miss my vote!

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I’m pleased. As I said, my aim isn’t to change anyone’s mind, just to state my case. And the amount of misinformation disseminated on these threads does my head in - I must have posted that link to the Kings Fund report on Labour improvements to the NHS hundreds of times!

Fair enough if that's the most important consideration for you right now.

But they really are taking action against the people who were welcomed by Corbyn and have antisemitic views.

The anti-semites are being booted out of Labour as quickly as evidence can be found to do so - haven't you seen all the corbynites whingeing on twitter about the party being purged of people on the left of the party - they really mean the anti-semites. Only they play faux ignorance about why certain people are being expelled.

The self ID thing

@Sniffypete Starmer's wife is jewish and he goes regularly to local synagogue..

@Blossomtoes I read everything you wrote, reflected on it, and still thinking about it. You make some valid points, maybe strongly, but politely. You’ve had way more influence on my thinking than many other posters on other threads - definitely food for thought, so thank you!

People calling me a cunt, not so much

Ah, at least I didn’t do that! I don’t go in for name calling.

Oh poor you. I for one believe we should be looking to prioritise people who own 8 homes over those who won’t have enough money to heat their home this winter. Thoughts and prayers are with you

Antisemitism and their views on women rule them out for me. Voting for anyone else is a wasted vote.

@Blossomtoes no need to apologise at all! It’s an emotive subject, and personally, I’m learning a lot. I absolutely value everyone’s input and listen carefully, where people are constructing valid, well argued opinions. People calling me a cunt, not so much 🤣

I agree. The PFI debt, plus introduction of tax credits were both massive mistakes. The PFI contracts won’t be fully paid off until around 2050, with hospital trusts spending up to 16% of their yearly budget paying their PFI debt.

Agreed. I think I got a bit arsey at one point for which I apologise.

Bloody lovely to have managed a couple of pages of genuine debate on MN, on such a highly emotive subject, with people respecting each other’s opinions and not calling each other cunts though 😁

@Mardyface I wasn’t assuming at all, I was asking if you knew of Trinty School which, if you’re local, will know has some issues. This is no secret. I also am fully aware there are other great schools in the area that have great results, but of course if DS had to leave his school quickly, will have to go where there are places.

@Mobiledesktop I actually agree with @Mardyface it is absolutely wrong that families at the moment are struggling to feed their kids, buy them uniform, school shoes, pay for them to go to football club on a Saturday morning, or go on school trips. All kids should have these basic necessities. And I’m happy to pay sufficient tax to enable this. But I’d like to be able to do both - pay my fair share and be allowed to choose my DC’s school.

I would be deeply ashamed of myself if I had ever voted Conservative. How anyone could after the last twelve years is inexplicable to me.

@StoneofDestiny but the 27 out of 90 kids in DC’s 6th form on bursaries? And the other 60 odd throughout the rest of the school - not to mention the 20 Ukrainan children they’ve provided free places for. They will go, I’m in Lewisham, SE London. It’s not a particularly affluent area, these kids value their places and add huge, huge amounts to school life

I have no issue with people choosing to send their children to private schools, people using private healthcare or owning big homes. if I didn't pay a private dentist, I'd have no dentist at all.

However the argument put forward about children on bursaries attending private schools is often put forward as a virtue - they are actually necessity to keep their charitable status. Even Eton has children on assisted places, bursaries and from impoverished backgrounds.

My issue is that all Public Services including Education should be funded sufficiently to enable all people to have great schools on their doorstep, great hospitals, great mental health care, effective policing, fire fighters, prison services etc.

For many people inadequate Public Services costs them their lives!
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Been to a foodbank lately? Or a hospital?

The personal insult I'm just ignoring. I thought it was only lefties who resorted to that.

Do you always talk absolute crap?

Do you? Because I’ve never seen you talk anything else.

How do you know my kids don't go to Trinity @edwinbear? Unbelievable. Really. You actually do think your high income makes you and your children superior then. I'm surprised you can bear to live in Lewisham.

@Mardyface the Ukrainian kids Lewisham couldn’t find places quickly enough, there aren’t so many places. Hence DC’s school offered to take them immediately, without all the red tape. As of course they should.

The charitable status VAT policy is a shame. It’s going to push more dc into overburdened state and drive out bursary dc and outreach.

Its a policy that Starmer wants that doesn’t reflect well, Blair was better with the education line as it built up rather than took away.

There is huge public spending for the disadvantaged in this country. Social housing, the NHS, out of work benefits, sickness / disability benefits, housing benefits. We've basically had Keynesian economics since 2010 in one form or another.
Do you always talk absolute crap?

@Mardyface Trinity? Where a kid a few years back, was stabbed outside Sainsburys? You seem to be local, I’m sure you saw the flowers. As I said, I understand the opinion, I’m prepared to pay alot more tax. But if I’m paying £££ in tax, I’d like to be allowed one thing - my kids education.