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"All men cheat, you just never find out about it"

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Maryfast · 12/10/2022 20:31

I'm part of a mixed friendship group who have been friends since school. We went on a night out Saturday night and my partner works away (we've been together 4 years and bought a house last year). He tends to work away for 3 weeks and then be home for 2 weeks.

Anyway, friends were asking how he was and conversation soon turned to how some would never do a relationship that entails being far apart from each other for certain amounts of time. Then conversation turned to trust and I was saying how I can never imagine he'd cheat on me and how lovely he is.

That"s when one my male friends made the comment on the thread title, followed by how all the males he know outside our friendship group have cheated but all the friends never say anything.

I don't believe this to be true at all and I've never imagined my partner cheating. Does anyone else believe in the view that "men have an innate ability to cheat?"

I think it's nonsense

OP posts:
adriftabroad · 16/10/2022 11:13

Whistlesandbell · 16/10/2022 10:33

I used to be a care for an elderly gentleman who was the DF of a friend. I’d sit and listen to him talk for years, he seemed to have high morals and a few times talked about a couple of people he knew who had cheated on their wives and how he thought it was shameful behaviour.
We got on well and I enjoyed listening to his stories.
After two years of working for him I was chatting to his daughter and she told me when he was middle aged he had a long affair with a colleague at work. He got caught and my friend’s mum was devastated. I never felt the same about the man again.

Yes, people re write history. My experience too.
When they die, you find out the truth. (Often kept secret, for obvious reasons, from the DCs)

adriftabroad · 16/10/2022 11:11

I am the sort of person to have an affair/cheat, so I answer a poll on the subject?
Nah.

Whistlesandbell · 16/10/2022 10:33

I used to be a care for an elderly gentleman who was the DF of a friend. I’d sit and listen to him talk for years, he seemed to have high morals and a few times talked about a couple of people he knew who had cheated on their wives and how he thought it was shameful behaviour.
We got on well and I enjoyed listening to his stories.
After two years of working for him I was chatting to his daughter and she told me when he was middle aged he had a long affair with a colleague at work. He got caught and my friend’s mum was devastated. I never felt the same about the man again.

TomPinch · 16/10/2022 09:13

That is true. On the other hand, a lot of what people think they know is based on gossip.

I reckon people are more likely to be honest with pollsters. Here are some examples.

21% of British men report cheating in some way at some point (2015)
yougov.co.uk/topics/society/articles-reports/2015/05/27/one-five-british-adults-admit-affair

23% of American men report cheating at some point (2021)
psychcentral.com/blog/how-common-is-cheating-infidelity-really

25% of New Zealanders report cheating at some point (no separate figures for women and men)
www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/03/a-quarter-of-new-zealanders-are-cheaters-and-one-in-seven-in-long-term-affairs-survey.amp.html

Here's one with a much higher estimate (75%), of college students
www.bbc.com/future/article/20190625-why-we-need-to-talk-about-cheating

And here's another American one from 2015: 21% of men have cheated.
today.yougov.com/topics/society/articles-reports/2015/06/02/men-more-likely-think-cheating

So there it is. Apart from one niche study, low 20s. Your partner probably hasn't cheated. And there's just a lot less sex going on that we like to admit, interesting though it is.

ReneBumsWombats · 16/10/2022 08:18

There is an awful lot of people assuming an awful lot of knowledge about an awful lot of other people.

I'd assume that most people embarking on affairs would attempt to be discreet about it.

WhileAFoxIsWatching · 16/10/2022 08:06

mauveskies · 15/10/2022 07:30

I am rather ravishing, as it happens. That has been my experience.

I'm with you, mauveskies. But for me they try it on with messaging. Although some have pushed it IRL. I block the fuckers. I think there's a lot of it going on, and I'm happy to say I'm not involved.

AndTwoFilmsByFrancoisTruffaut · 16/10/2022 07:02

Of course all men and women are capable of cheating.

I have cheated in all of my past relationships, so has DH. Both of us were disappointed / disillusioned with our relationships which rightly or wrongly, led us to look elsewhere.

However, I would never ever cheat on my DH. It wouldn’t even be a passing thought. I just don’t find other men as attractive or as interesting as DH so why would I. He is everything I need. But the overriding reason, and DH and so have both discussed this, is because I genuinely respect DH. I have never respected any of my exes.

I know DH wouldn’t cheat on me either.

So, despite both of our histories, we are
no longer cheats. Leopards can change spots and all that.

OhHenry · 15/10/2022 22:14

Sorry that should say her not herb lol

OhHenry · 15/10/2022 22:12

This is always an interesting topic.

I guess it depends on the person.

I think less confident/sensitive type guys are less likely to cheat.

I know one guy who was gutted by his girlfriend cheating...he wouldn't of done it to herb

ReneBumsWombats · 15/10/2022 22:07

BigFatLiar · 15/10/2022 20:17

DH is a 'quiet one' so I asked him and all he said was stuff that if I wasn't here he'd rather get a dog. So I'm now the substitute dog it seems.

I'm not suggesting your husband isn't honourable, but I can't imagine anyone giving any other sort of answer to this one!

J0y · 15/10/2022 20:34

What is the point asking!!
What can he say? Even the best answer would be "Um, id love to sleep with somebody else but I wouldnt want it on my conscience and I don't want to hurt you or lose you or half the house and see the kids EOW"

BigFatLiar · 15/10/2022 20:17

MoggyMittens23 · 15/10/2022 20:06

The quiet ones will find women online!

DH is a 'quiet one' so I asked him and all he said was stuff that if I wasn't here he'd rather get a dog. So I'm now the substitute dog it seems.

ViolinPin · 15/10/2022 20:17

adriftabroad · 15/10/2022 20:14

and are much more likely to have affairs that nobody ever knows about.
Lairy ones just have one night stands.

The quiet very good looking dark horses 😱

adriftabroad · 15/10/2022 20:14

and are much more likely to have affairs that nobody ever knows about.
Lairy ones just have one night stands.

MoggyMittens23 · 15/10/2022 20:06

5128gap · 15/10/2022 18:43

Nope. That's the last thing I am I can assure you!
If my point was that the quiet guy in the corner would never cheat, then yes, you'd be right. But it's not. The quiet guy in the corner may well cheat too, but his opportunities to do so are going to be hampered by his passivity, as unless he's exceptional, he won't get women falling into his lap with offers of an affair with zero effort on his part.
Meanwhile the lairy guy making comments is actively seeking engagement with women. So if you are unfortunate enough to be this guy's partner, you have a bigger liability on your hands than if you were married to quiet Steve, who might fall for his colleague, and indeed make some effort in pusuing a woman he's really keen on, but isn't going to be on the pull everytime he's out with the lads.

The quiet ones will find women online!

5128gap · 15/10/2022 18:43

MoggyMittens23 · 15/10/2022 16:53

This is SO not true!!! That's very naive.

Nope. That's the last thing I am I can assure you!
If my point was that the quiet guy in the corner would never cheat, then yes, you'd be right. But it's not. The quiet guy in the corner may well cheat too, but his opportunities to do so are going to be hampered by his passivity, as unless he's exceptional, he won't get women falling into his lap with offers of an affair with zero effort on his part.
Meanwhile the lairy guy making comments is actively seeking engagement with women. So if you are unfortunate enough to be this guy's partner, you have a bigger liability on your hands than if you were married to quiet Steve, who might fall for his colleague, and indeed make some effort in pusuing a woman he's really keen on, but isn't going to be on the pull everytime he's out with the lads.

Ticksallboxes · 15/10/2022 17:00

A huge number of men cheat, but equally a huge number don't. The ones that don't though I think are constantly fantasising about cheating!

I've been completely faithful to my DH for almost 27 years, but I've had about seven major crushes during that time that I never acted on.

I've always assumed my DH was similar, but I love him and I just think we're only human.

MoggyMittens23 · 15/10/2022 16:55

Vickstory79 · 15/10/2022 13:22

Who are all these men cheating with? Other men maybe?

It's just statistically impossible that all men cheat and most women don't.
Unless, of course, single women have many more partners than singe men.

It doesn't take much thinking about to realise this can't be true.

That makes no sense.

It's not just based on the numbers of men there are and the numbers of females there are!

There are so many variables at play.

What we are saying is more men (who are in relationships) cheat than women (who are in relationships).

there are plenty of other people who don't fit into those categories

MoggyMittens23 · 15/10/2022 16:53

5128gap · 14/10/2022 13:33

There's definitely a correlation between leery behaviour and likelihood of cheating.
Some men are simply way more interested in women than others. You can easily pick them out if you observe behaviour. In a group of men on a night out you'll see the ones who have little interest in much outside of their beer and interaction with their mates, compared with the ones who's eyes are everywhere, making comments to women, trying to engage them. Its pretty obvious that the man with the greater interest in women is the one more likely to cheat. Not guaranteed to, obviously, but way more likely if he got the chance.
Its exactly the same with a partner. The man who can't walk down the road with you without giving the side eye to every passing female, or hold a conversation with a woman as a person without needing flirting or sex to be on the agenda, will be more likely to cheat due to his heightened interest in women and his poor sense of propriety.

This is SO not true!!! That's very naive.

Creasedlinen · 15/10/2022 15:22

My marriage would have looked idyllic from the outside and in many ways it was (I'm a widow now). Literally no one close enough to me to have an opinion on my marriage knows I had an affair.

catchthedog · 15/10/2022 14:28

@XelaM sounds like my parents marriage too. looks idyllic and would never have thought in a million years possible. it was only when clearing out drawers after a death, I came across a letter from my dad to my mum that she had kept, apologising for what he had done on a "one off never again" moment 45 years ago.

EBearhug · 15/10/2022 13:57

Vickstory79 · 15/10/2022 13:22

Who are all these men cheating with? Other men maybe?

It's just statistically impossible that all men cheat and most women don't.
Unless, of course, single women have many more partners than singe men.

It doesn't take much thinking about to realise this can't be true.

Some probably are cheating with men. Some will be with colleagues or others they meet while working away. A lot will be on dating apps, some of them failing to mention they're already in a relationship. People aren't always aware, at least at the outset, that they're part of a cheating relationship, though I imagine these are a minority.

There are very great expectations that relationships will be monogamous, and I think that many couples never discuss whether it is what will suit them most. It does in many cases, buy you also have swingers' clubs - but I think even if you choose a relationship that isn't conventionally monogamous, you can still cheat - any relationship will have boundaries, and if you agree something like you can have sex with others only when together, then having sex with a colleague at a work conference would be cheating. I suspect there are some who decide to try more open relationships without actually agreeing boundaries, because they've already decided they want to sleep with someone else and want to try and legitimise it.

I think a lot of people (both sexes) probably do cheat, and are never found out. Some of these will live with a lot of guilt as a result. I suspect more would if opportunity arose, but they don't actively pursue it. I think there are also habitual cheaters, and they are the most problematic ones, because they don't consider how their actions affect others.

Sleeping with someone else may not be a problem, depending on the relationship, but cheating is, because that implies lack of honesty.

RedAppleGirl · 15/10/2022 13:53

Vickstory79 · 15/10/2022 13:22

Who are all these men cheating with? Other men maybe?

It's just statistically impossible that all men cheat and most women don't.
Unless, of course, single women have many more partners than singe men.

It doesn't take much thinking about to realise this can't be true.

On a recent trip to the smoking shelter the conversation between the girls revolved around which one of their male co-workers would they like to have sex with.
This idea women are passive participants is nonsense.

Annabananna1 · 15/10/2022 13:26

Hm. Agree with him more than I disagree, tbh!

Sorry. Known a lot of cheaters.

Vickstory79 · 15/10/2022 13:22

Who are all these men cheating with? Other men maybe?

It's just statistically impossible that all men cheat and most women don't.
Unless, of course, single women have many more partners than singe men.

It doesn't take much thinking about to realise this can't be true.

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