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To expect the school to do more about racism?

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marmitetoastie · 07/10/2022 08:30

We live in an exceptionally white small town. I'm half N. African (never even been there on holiday) anywhere else in the UK, I"d probably be considered white. But in my town, I'm an ethnic minority. My two sons look middle eastern but they are essentially white, with dark features. My daughter looks Spanish, mid brown hair, even she is constantly asked where she's from.

When my sons walk through the town they hear racist remarks at times. But at school my youngest (13) has been teased about his "race" a lot and I know it really upsets him. Recently, he started pestering me for expensive aftershave and deoderents, then he wanted a new school bag (to replace his new Nike bag). Eventually his older sister told me it's because his friends - and these kids are his friends, have been teasing him that he "smells of curry". I think for these boys it's a bit of banter, but for my son it was constant and they really did it so much that he believed them. (He lives on pizza btw). When he called them out for racism, they assured him it wasn't, but it was genuinely bc he really does smell of curry. He's actually popular and a bit of joker, so these kids really don't think they're doing anything that wrong. - which sort of makes it even worse.

He never talked to me about it, just to his older sister; so I agreed he could have a new school bag (£40) for some other vauge reason, to put this to rest in his head. I wrote to school about it (I'd already written about other racist problems he's had earlier that year; they phoned me that time and were great listeners - but didn't actually do anything). I reiterated in this email, that there is an endemic problem of racism in the town which is supported and condoned in some homes. And that I was concerned that when these kids get out into the wider world, they are going to get themselves in really big trouble if they arent taught how unacceptable this behaviour is. And more education needed to be put in place. Further, being singled out by reporting anything, is the last thing in the world my son wants, so could they deal with this more globally as he wont want to report it. I also mentioned that I had to email the school to write, because the Diversity and Inclusion Lead was ommited from the school's Leadership webpage (couldn't make it up, could you?).

The school wrote back explaining that they have a racism tab in the kids' email/web stuff, unless my son reports it, it doesn't exist. They went on to tell me how much they do about racism in the school and it's all covered and they have invested in a football prog and are celebrating Black Lives Matters Day and Rosa Parks Day.

So that's it, despite it being an obvious on-going problem, for my son and dangerous behaviour for the "white kids", it's all covered.

As an example of what goes on, older kid (17), actually said to my daughter when he had to come to our house to do a project together "Oh your family are towel-heads aren't they?" (we live in a £700,000 house, don't have any cultural dress other than middle-england). She advised him to keep the racism to himself around me - which wisely, he did. Eventually she reported him when he sent her a racist cartoon - he's at another school. The school he attends, had a mixed race head girl, who highlighted the problems she'd experienced and they put a whole education package togther. I suggested our school could look at what they did to redress the balance. But they are observing "Black Lives Matters day", so they've got it covered.

So, AIBU to think the school should have actioned a response to either of my two letters about the racist culture, which is still endemic in the school? Or am i being a pain in the arse? I don't know how to get them to do more, when they apathetically tell me they're doing loads. My son's form teacher was clearly upset at what was going on and I think. he also expected the school to respond with action, but then, he probably hasn't grown up in the town.

I appreciate money is tight for schools, but I see these kids losing jobs or being kicked out of Uni's if they aren't better educated.

Appreciate practical advice on if, or how, to take it further,

xxx

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BringMeSunshineAllDayLong · 12/06/2024 09:43

Dotjones · 07/10/2022 09:15

I have to agree, kids will always find someone who is "different" for some reason or another and target them, it's just part of growing up.

It sounds like the school are going above and beyond as it is with their BLM day and doing stuff about Rosa Parks.

Fuck me. You think 2 things a year are enough to tackle endemic racism that exists everywhere. What a joke.
Our kids school is very diverse and they have lots of discussion about language, be careful of otherinf, micro aggressions etc. They have had lots of assemblies around respect. They had a whole one on respecting atheists (as so many different religions but atheists are a minority!)
Any racism is heavily shut down upon no matter who is doing it

Anna187931 · 12/06/2024 09:36

Yes the school are doing about of “face value” teaching, blm etc. But that is just being used as a way to gloss over the fact that they don’t want to deal with the day-to-day issues.

elkiedee · 13/12/2023 03:51

I think when learning about Rosa Parks, that story needs to be part of a discussion - how did her actions change things? The need for Black Lives Matter in the US and UK shows that there is still a need for change nearly 70 years later. It's not enough, never mind going beyond, to discuss the Civil Rights movement in the US in the 1950s - the curriculum needs to discuss the country kids live in now, and not just the very white town (which sounds incredibly so to me). And it sounds like they need more idea about different parts of the world too.

WandaWonder · 13/12/2023 02:08

Schools cannot cover everything if someone is caught they should be excluded and the parents would have to deal with but how many times do we hear 'my child would never do that'

Parents need to parent schools are there teach

Skimm · 13/12/2023 00:56

You need to move to West London if you can.

My children's dad is Moroccan and I'm mixed race. My children all look Moroccan.

I love this area so much. It is full of so many different cultures and my children feel proud of all of the countries they are from.

You should at least visit the Ladbroke Grove/ Golborne road area and show your children the North African culture.

My children have experienced bullying in school but not racism, we have however experienced it outside of London.

There is a strong North African community there aswell as Caribbean and Portuguese. Its such a nice area. My children are from 5 differnt countries and they don't feel like a minority neither do I or my husband.

I couldn't live in an area that only had one dominant race.

I grew up in Essex and just being mixed race made me feel like I was in Inception. Getting looked at like I'm not from there, being stopped mid convo to be asked "where are you from?".

babysgotthespends · 07/10/2022 22:19

"Stuff about Rosa Parks" ✅
Observes BLM ✅

It's hardly above and beyond FFS 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Sorry your DS is going through this OP. I'm a black teacher who's moved from South London to Brighton so it's been a real shock. Brighton and Hove and East Sussex where I work have acknowledged that there is a real lack of diversity and are doing their best to make their school resources more diverse and have an inclusive anti racist curriculum. Not just show the kids a PowerPoint on Rosa Parks and encourage them to colour a black square.
It is definitely worth speaking to the head teacher if they have an anti racist policy in school and what the school is doing about it if not. Then take it to the education authority for answers.
I have a colleague who told me today that the east Sussex school she used to work in a few years ago, the students would touch the hair of a black girl because it was different. This used to happen to me back in the 80s!

I'll stop ranting now. I hope a resolution is found OP.

neverbeenskiing · 07/10/2022 19:35

OP Google "Keeping Children Safe In Education 2022". This sets out schools statutory safeguarding responsibilities around issues like bullying and harassment. Bullying of those who have protected characteristics such as belonging to an ethnic minority group, is a safeguarding issue and could contitute a criminal offence so schools should be taking it seriously. Learning about Rosa Parks and BLM is the absolute bare minimum, they are obliged to cover this stuff in the curriculum, it's not going "above and beyoned" at all.

marmitetoastie · 07/10/2022 19:11

Hi

Thank you all for your varied comments, which I really appreciated. I have made a host of suggestionss to the school about tackling the issue of wider racism - such as not just rolling out the cliches of Martin Luther King, Rosa Park, Obama, or starving biafrons (which my son is called if one ever comes up in class). Such as representing average people of colour in the UK, we're not all protesters or poor, just professional people going about our lives.

I will read the school policy (er, if they have one) and if it happens again, then I think I'll escalate it, but leave-be for the time being. I mean, I'm just going to get a reputation of being petty, annoying & complaining if I keep pressing this point - they're clearly not interested in it.

Best wishes
MT

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Nodancingshoes · 07/10/2022 18:10

Yes they should most certainly address this at school. I am White British but with dark hair, eyes and olive skin - my children are the same. I was called racist names at school even though I am actually white and this has also happened to my oldest child- being called the n and p words in a 'banterish' way. I informed the school and they dealt with it swiftly, as well they should. There were several children od different races and ethnicities in the school. I wouldn't have wanted them to experience the so called 'banter' I wish I had told someone about it when it happened to me as a child, racism should be nipped in the bud as soon as it is seem or heard.

Jseeray · 07/10/2022 18:02

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LadyKenya · 07/10/2022 16:25

adooration · 07/10/2022 15:22

So depressing that celebrating BLM and Rosa Parks is seen as doing enough.

Or even seen as doing too much, for some people. Only by educating people on these issues can we have any hope for future generations not having to tolerate racism, in all its forms.

adooration · 07/10/2022 15:22

So depressing that celebrating BLM and Rosa Parks is seen as doing enough.

TheHoover · 07/10/2022 15:14

YADNBU
these kids are being taught that racist micro aggressions are OK.
the school must do more to educate them.
I feel sad that you are being advised to shrug it off.

declutteringmymind · 07/10/2022 15:14

This seems to be an issue that is going on out of school and inside of school. Unfortunately it's a cultural issue. Yes complain to school about how they should teach that racism is wrong, but they can't control what people do or say outside of school. Kids know that racism is wrong, but if they're friends and family are that way, they'll continue to think it's acceptable behaviour and language.

And for all of those that are minimising this, and telling OP that it's normal and needs to suck it up are just as much part of the problem.

genuinelyaskingforafriend · 07/10/2022 15:11

My friend has foster children who have been the victims of lots of racism at school.

School has policies and procedures in place for dealing with this but they don't follow their own policies, ie they are meant to report it to governors etc, but don't.

Basically school say the right things but brush it under the carpet as they don't want it to be seen there is any racism at the school.

oneuptwodown · 07/10/2022 15:07

No you're not being a pain in the arse, and no you're not being unreasonable.

I suspect the people in charge (which clearly isn't the Diversity and Inclusion Lead) don't know how to deal with it. This kind of behaviour is endemic, as you say, and takes a LOT of work to tackle. The adults in charge are already behind the curve, having themselves been brought up to just "chuckle along" if not perpetrate it themselves, and almost certainly not benefiting from the training and education they need to deal with the questions you ask and offer the support and cooperation you need.

It's a long, hard slog dealing with this sort of shit all the goddam time. But you can't give up. Education starts at home (for everything, in my opinion), school is supplementing and in loco parentis when our children are there. You have to start with teaching your own children what to say and do, and they will go into the world and propagate that message. It will spread. At least there is a D&I Lead at your school; any come back on your children and they should report to that person. There is legislation place (for now). And you have to do it all the time time, and never let up.

It's a generations-long project and it's difficult and relentless and depressing - but change can and does happen and it's amazing when it does. They're all just kids, ultimately. Very very few of them are actually inherently racist when you speak to them one on one, even when you take into account home environments. In all probability they're just ignorant and the good thing about them is that you can enlighten them.

Sorry you have to deal with it. If it helps, know that the fight is being fought all around the world, all the time. You and your DC are not alone.

Rummikub · 07/10/2022 15:01

LadyKenya · 07/10/2022 09:24

I disagree, and would not describe it as going above and beyond with the school discussing Blm and learning about Rosa Parks. Racism would not be such an issue if people were more educated about it.

I agree it is not going above and beyond.

They need to address it as a wider school issue.

Would it be acceptable for school to no address/ take action against sexism? Because they do something in international women’s day?? Of course it’s not ok.

Stokey · 07/10/2022 15:00

BluesDad · 07/10/2022 10:10

When I was at school there was an oft repeated phrase which was “sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me”.

One I picked up in adulthood is “sometimes you only have to listen to people to see just how ignorant they are”.

They might help if they’re borne in mind.

This sounds like you are saying this behaviour is acceptable. It is not in the slightest, it is racism. The school should absolutely take some responsibility to educate the children about what is acceptable and what is not.

doubleshotcappuccino · 07/10/2022 14:54

Awful you and your family have to deal with this in England .. it's not the 1970s .. it's a reflection for us all still how much work there is to do

OhhhhhhhhBiscuits · 07/10/2022 14:52

Wow so much white privilege on show here! It is not OK, it is never OK, and it needs to be dealt with every single time. It should never be laughed off, it is despicable that people think that still.

Please report every single instance to the school. Keep on and on at them. The school and students need to know this is never OK.

Fieldsofhay · 07/10/2022 14:45

YANBU. my kids (fairly multicultural) primary suspended a kid for racist mutterings at Y3. They quite rightly took absolutely no racist nonsense. It’s the way forward. Clamp down heavily on the slightest remark at a very young age and kids will get the message.

Karamna · 07/10/2022 14:42

Ted27 · 07/10/2022 14:39

@Karamna

the point is that the school has a policy, it was implemented.

The mother has written twice to the school, the form teacher is aware.

that should be sufficient for the school

OP said her son didn't want to report it or have the offenders investigated. I agree with you totally that this is what should happen. But that is not what OP wants or has asked them to do.

Ted27 · 07/10/2022 14:39

@Karamna

the point is that the school has a policy, it was implemented.

The mother has written twice to the school, the form teacher is aware.

that should be sufficient for the school

Karamna · 07/10/2022 14:33

Ted27 · 07/10/2022 13:07

@Karamna

its really not that difficult.
I would be very surprised if the school did not have policy statements relating to bullying and racism.
They could make a good start by applying them.
My son’s school had a zero tolerance approach.
For example, my son waa subject to some racist ‘banter’ on a Thursday after school, technically off site but close enough for a teacher to hear.
On Friday at 9.30 the year teacher phoned me to say that the head had already spoken to my son, she would be speaking to witnesses and the boy concerned.
At 2 oclock they phoned back to say the boy has been excluded.

Clear decisive action. My son felt the school was protecting him. Clear message that ‘banter’ is racist and that racist bullies will be punished.

But in OP's son's case the incidents haven't been overheard by a teacher, or reported. So the school cannot carry out that action.

BiscuitLover3678 · 07/10/2022 13:40

I just wanted to say I am sorry this is going on and shocking that it’s still happening in 2022!