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Adult sibling jealousy

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AuntMargo · 03/10/2022 13:03

I have 2 girls, one is in a relationship with her partner who has a well paid job, of around £70k a year and she earns around 40K. They have 2 children and have been together since they were 17yrs, they own 2 properties, one they rent the other is their home. They have a good lifestyle. My 2nd girl is a single mother ( father and his family offer no suppport at all) to a my granddaughter who is same age as their eldest. She has a part time job, and claims UC and rents. She was never as clever as the eldest and had a bad coercive controlled relationship several years ago, and she is still suffering the insecurities from that.

We all want to go on a big holiday, it would mean I will have to pay fo the daughter who is a single mum, the other thinks I should pay the equivalent for her family, her response was, why should I be penalised because we have good jobs ! They earn more than me and hubby, I would pay for holiday out of my savings. I think she is being incredibly selfish as I cannot afford to pay for both!. There have been other scenarios over the years, where said daughter has shown resentment and jealousy of other daughter, I look after her child more, she has no one else at all and has to work. AIBU to tell my daughter she is selfish and being greedy !

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IhateJan22 · 03/10/2022 20:14

I am a sibling in this kind of scenario and no way would I be asking you to pay. I want to pay for my sister to do things she otherwise can’t afford but she gets offended when I offer so I’ve stopped now.

Could you say you’re going to lend the money instead but not make her pay you back?

AloysiusBear · 03/10/2022 20:11

Sometimes working part time means income is greater because of benefits plus child care is easier to get on part time hours. It’s not that someone doesn’t want to work full time but they actually get less income and can’t live on it.

I thought it was literally impossible to be worse off in work on universal credit.you can be not much better off relative to the amount you work but surely not worse off.

PaperPalace · 03/10/2022 20:09

@ancientgran no, DD1 is asking for an equal amount, not the cost of her whole family.

Lollypop701 · 03/10/2022 20:09

Sometimes working part time means income is greater because of benefits plus child care is easier to get on part time hours. It’s not that someone doesn’t want to work full time but they actually get less income and can’t live on it. Op talk to dd1, see what she says is the issue. You appear generous to both and if it’s purely £££ id be upset too. If it’s that she feels less valued then it’s a bigger conversation about support.. dd1 has a dh and in-laws as support as well as you op. Dd2 has just you,. Is that fair, luck or just different life situations? Because her life has worked out dd1 earns more, but you helped with her house, childcare , and you are doing the same for dd2. They need different things at different times,. To begrudge your sister a holiday because op can’t fund everyone is awful imo, so I hope it’s a misunderstanding

AloysiusBear · 03/10/2022 20:09

*For perspective in my situation I am aware of my sisters neediness/vulnerability but of course there are times I am just like WTF when my parents cater to her every need. I think it comes from just always sorting out my own crap whereas sibling doesn’t.

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AloysiusBear · 03/10/2022 20:08

Im going to play devils advocate here OP. Do you give both of them as much of your time and care?

Im the "selfish" sibling you describe. My parents give so much of their time, love and worry to my sibling, it feels like they forget that money doesn't buy everything.

When I'm in a crisis, i need emergency childcare help as much as he does. When i'm off ill, i'd appreciate a caring phonecall. My job pays well but its also horribly stressful.

Its really hard to watch someone else's life choices be enabled, too (why doesn't your other daughter work full time?)? Remember your older daughter might have had some luck but a hell of a lot of her security is also wiser choices and plain old hard work.

She probably isn't jealous of the money, really. She probably just wants your time, your care and attention, to feel worried over & thought about like her sister is.

Whichwhatnow · 03/10/2022 20:06

ChateauxNeufDePoop · 03/10/2022 19:48

No it isn't

In my and my family's case, yes it is.

None of them could negotiate a multi million pound contract. But then I don't have an artistic bone in my body and nor could I mentor and counsel very troubled teens. It just happens that the talent I was born with makes more money than the talents they have.

Not saying that applies universally (although you seem to be saying that the opposite does...)

Justmebeingme22 · 03/10/2022 20:02

I agree with previous posters I don’t think it’s about the money necessarily. As someone with a lot of siblings it can be frustrating to watch my parents cater to the most ‘needy’ one over and over again. I know you probably don’t mean to leave DD1 out but I imagine that’s how she feels.

I imagine she’s not a horrid person but has come across so in this situation when it’s likely much more about the fact you obviously feel sorry for DD2 (understandably) and DD1 seems like she has a really good settled life (or at least a much better situation that DD1). For perspective in my situation I am aware of my sisters neediness/vulnerability but of course there are times I am just like WTF when my parents cater to her every need. I think it comes from just always sorting out my own crap whereas sibling doesn’t. I see both sides tbh, but I definitely think it’s about more than money. I think a sit down with DD1 is in order.

Kissingfrogs25 · 03/10/2022 19:49

Yes part time!!
Clearly DD2 doesn’t need the money
I would be spitting feathers if I was DD1.

ChateauxNeufDePoop · 03/10/2022 19:48

Whichwhatnow · 03/10/2022 19:43

I have a sole income of more than that. I consider myself fortunate in that I am very academically able and very well suited to both the degree I did and the career I chose. I'm not saying I haven't worked hard at times but a lot of it was luck, yes.

My siblings (and indeed my husband) are all incredibly intelligent and talented but not academic - their talents lie in areas that pay a fraction of my chosen career. They work far harder than I do! And again, yes, that is largely luck!

No it isn't

ancientgran · 03/10/2022 19:48

WahineToa · 03/10/2022 19:37

Depending where you live and how many kids, £110,000 for a family is not necessarily huge. After tax etc and yes, typically it’s earned and worked for over years, not given to you.

But the OP did give them money to help them buy their 2nd house so some things are given.

WahineToa · 03/10/2022 19:45

Oh I missed DD2 only working part time. Gosh…

Whichwhatnow · 03/10/2022 19:43

ChateauxNeufDePoop · 03/10/2022 19:33

Fortunate? People don't wake up as adults with a household income of £110k.

I have a sole income of more than that. I consider myself fortunate in that I am very academically able and very well suited to both the degree I did and the career I chose. I'm not saying I haven't worked hard at times but a lot of it was luck, yes.

My siblings (and indeed my husband) are all incredibly intelligent and talented but not academic - their talents lie in areas that pay a fraction of my chosen career. They work far harder than I do! And again, yes, that is largely luck!

Kissingfrogs25 · 03/10/2022 19:42

DD2 only works part time too!
It must be galling for DD1 whilst mother bankrolls her and does all the childcare.

DD2 could afford holidays if she worked properly like everyone else

WahineToa · 03/10/2022 19:37

Depending where you live and how many kids, £110,000 for a family is not necessarily huge. After tax etc and yes, typically it’s earned and worked for over years, not given to you.

Kissingfrogs25 · 03/10/2022 19:36

You can really spot the parents on here that clearly treat their children differently and are in a hurry rush to defend their poor parenting and decisions. Or have/are benefiting from such an arrangement.

ChateauxNeufDePoop · 03/10/2022 19:33

EllieRosesMammy · 03/10/2022 19:26

DD1 is behaving like a spoilt brat. She could of easily been in the same position as her sister but has been fortune enough not to be. If you want to pay for DD2 then do it :)

Fortunate? People don't wake up as adults with a household income of £110k.

ancientgran · 03/10/2022 19:31

whumpthereitis · 03/10/2022 17:59

It wanting to be treated equally to a sister she’s seen be paid for by their mother repeatedly.

‘fairly’ goes beyond finances.

What is equal about the OP paying for DD2 and her child and then being expected to pay for DD1s whole family, 2 adults and 2 children? I can't see what is fair about that never mind the fact that DD1 has more money than her mother.

Well none of them are going on a holiday they all dreamed of so I guess that's fair.

EllieRosesMammy · 03/10/2022 19:26

DD1 is behaving like a spoilt brat. She could of easily been in the same position as her sister but has been fortune enough not to be. If you want to pay for DD2 then do it :)

Whichwhatnow · 03/10/2022 19:25

User135792468 · 03/10/2022 16:51

How embarrassing for you being their charity case! Maybe try and improve your own situation instead of taking from them constantly. Imagine allowing your sister to pay thousands for you to go to Disney! Plus, I think you’re looking for the word begrudge and not grudge.

Oh piss off. I paid for my sister and dn to go on a very expensive holiday with me - partly because she earns maybe 1/5 of what I do and is a single mother as her dp died, but also because (shockingly enough) I wanted their company! Believe it or not some of us genuinely love our siblings and want the best for them.

My parents are in no position to help any of us financially, but if they were I would have no issue whatsoever with it going to my sister - she needs it and I don't!

Kissingfrogs25 · 03/10/2022 19:23

MyneighbourisTotoro · 03/10/2022 18:52

But the OP has treated them equally, she has given both what they need. She has dond childcare for both plus extra treats for both and all the grandchildren, she has given both money when they’ve needed it, she has taken them all on a UK holiday which she paid for so they could all have a family holiday together

You are still focused on the materialistic comparisons thunder It’s not about that - how times does it need to be posted !

Princessglittery · 03/10/2022 19:23

AuntMargo · 03/10/2022 14:19

@picklemewalnuts I am going to have a chat with her just the 2 of us

@AuntMargo That is a good idea.

In you OP you said “There have been other scenarios over the years, where said daughter has shown resentment and jealousy of other daughter,”

Think through what they were and try to drill down with your DD1 where these feelings come from. I suspect they go back to childhood. Your DD1 is likely to get very upset and it will be a difficult conversation but push her to tell you the root of this.

Some of what she has to say will be hard and like other posters I suspect there maybe times DD2 was put first. Please do not try to defend DD2 if DD1 criticises her, stay silent and really listen to what DD1 is telling you.

Can you think back to when they were children, when they fell out did you expect DD1 to be the bigger person because DD2 was younger? Was one more challenging than the other? Did DD2 get to do hobbies, things at a younger age or because there was more money?

Kissingfrogs25 · 03/10/2022 19:21

RoseJam · 03/10/2022 18:49

OP - this is probably the right decision for now. However, it doesn't mean that you can't have a holiday with your DDs and your DGC later. I hope you take the opportunity to have a good heart-to-heart with your DD1 and find out why she feels so resentful. It probably has nothing to do with the money and maybe she wants your time and attention instead - but you won't find out unless you discuss it and ask her what she really wants. I think if DD1 felt emotionally secure she would be more than happy for DD2 to receive your help. It is easy to take someone who on the surface has a good job, nice house, good DH etc etc for granted and think that everything is easy for them. She may be struggling in different ways or simply just want you to acknowledge it.

I entirely agree. DD2 needs to feel valued and emotionally secure - and she clearly doesn’t at the moment. You will find they will both benefit from this approach and DD1 is likely to feel much more generous if she doesn’t feel sidelined/second best.

Get the family in a good place then work out if the holiday is a good idea.

WahineToa · 03/10/2022 18:59

I feel for you, it’s tricky. While I definitely don’t think you should pay for DD1 or anyone should ever feel entitled to have you pay for their holiday, I am actually sort of DD1. I have been in a similar situation with my Dad and older sister & her husband. I have kids, she didn’t then. I felt annoyed that I saved hard, had small kids to financially take care of too and my sis just never worked hard to take care of herself, doesn’t save, has never taken the opportunities given to her by my parents to improve her situation financially and is always always being subsidised by the rest of us for holidays, meals etc etc I feel she was always spoilt as a kid and it’s extended into adulthood. It isn’t just money either, I just don’t think we are loved or treated the same. That may be how your daughter is feeling. The money really isn’t the issue usually. It’s more about you treating your children differently. Even if that’s not what she is actually saying.

MyneighbourisTotoro · 03/10/2022 18:52

whumpthereitis · 03/10/2022 18:05

That’s why I said it goes beyond finances.

She wants to feel she’s as worthy as her sister of being treated by her mother. She wants to feel equally cared for.

But the OP has treated them equally, she has given both what they need. She has dond childcare for both plus extra treats for both and all the grandchildren, she has given both money when they’ve needed it, she has taken them all on a UK holiday which she paid for so they could all have a family holiday together

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